Michigan Legislature won’t extend Whitmer’s stay-home order, Shirkey says

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, told a Jackson group that the GOP-led Legislature is unlikely to extend Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-home order.

April 24 update: Gov. Gretchen Whitmer expected to extend stay-home order until May 15
April 22 update: Michigan Gov. Whitmer wants to extend stay-home order past May 1

Michigan Republican leaders are challenging Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to loosen stay-home restrictions, saying it’s unlikely her executive authority will last past April 30.

House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, sent a scathing letter to Whitmer on Saturday, saying her restrictions on travel have made Michigan a “national outlier” for toughness and called on her to make changes that would allow more people to work.

And Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey on Friday said he doubts the Michigan Legislature will extend Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's current stay-home order beyond April 30.

The two, who control both branches of the Legislature, have asked Whitmer to relax some of her restrictions, which did not include an expanded list of “essential businesses” that most other states adopted.

That has left many upset and helped spark the protest in Lansing that drew national attention.

“I urge you again to reconsider your overly broad approach for the sake of the people we represent and bring Michigan in line with other states that  are handling this issue more sensibly,” Chatfield wrote in his letter. “We can and must continue to improve our public health efforts, while also safeguarding civil liberties and the paychecks of Michigan families

Chatfield said people are reaching out to legislators “looking for a legislative check against the exercise of your authority.”

He called upon Whitmer to adopt the latest federal definitions of “essential services,” and said her restrictions should be based on whether activities can be done safely and not whether they are essential. Chatfield also called for regional restrictions, based upon infection rates, testing rates and hospital capacity in the eight state-identified emergency preparedness regions.

On Friday, Shirkey, R-Clarklake, told members of the Jackson Chamber of Commerce he still expects some restrictions on dining and social gatherings order expires and Michigan should be opened “incrementally, systematically, surgically and safely,” according to MLive, which first reported the remarks.

His spokesperson, Amber McCann, confirmed the remarks to Bridge on Saturday, saying “when asked, the majority leader commented that there is not support in the Senate Republican caucus to continue the governor’s stay-at-home order in its current form.”

The Democratic governor this week has said she is looking into reopening the state, which has been under a stay-home order because of the coronavirus since March 24. The state had restrictions on restaurants, bars and gatherings since March 16.

“Gov. Whitmer led the way by announcing a bipartisan partnership of seven Midwest states to coordinate the reopening of our region's economy. Michigan will have a responsible plan that prioritizes the health and safety of our citizens,” said Tiffany Brown, a Whitmer spokeswoman, in response to an email from Bridge.

On Friday, Whitmer indicated she would begin to lay out conditions for a reopening next week. The virus has infected more than 30,000 statewide and killed more than 2,200 as of Friday

Whitmer has said Michigan won’t reopen until the rates of infection decline, the state has increased capacity to test people and track down those people the infected have been in contact with, and hospitals can handle any new surges in infections.

Since the first case of coronavirus in Michigan was confirmed March 10, Whitmer has issued dozens of executive orders that outline the current restrictions. 

Whitmer, a Democrat, had wanted to retain that authority through June 10, but the GOP-dominated Legislature came to Lansing, many wearing masks, and extended it through April 30. 

In the past week, since Whitmer issued new stay-home guidelines, Shirkey and a number of Republican politicians have called for a loosening of some restrictions and thousands drove to Lansing this week to protest the restrictions.

In talking with the Jackson business community, Shirkey acknowledged that even after April 30, some restrictions will still be necessary. 

"This is just a wild guess here, but I’m thinking we’re six weeks away from even contemplating opening restaurants," Shirkey said, according to MLive. "It wouldn’t surprise me that we require people to go in and out with a mask on and they only take them off when they’re eating."

Governors across the country are talking about the process of reopening economic activity that has seen more than 1 million people apply for unemployment benefits in Michigan alone.

The Trump administration has issued guidelines on when and how the economy should be reopened, though there is a debate on elements of those guidelines, specifically on how much testing is required and whether states can meet those levels.

Whitmer told a national television audience Friday that states will need help. 

By one estimate, states will need to conduct over 150 tests a day for every 100,000 people in a state to be able to quickly identify any new outbreaks and then isolate those people while tracking down and testing those they’ve had close contact with. 

Michigan is now averaging about 39 tests per 100,000, even with expanded testing across the state.

"We need some assistance from the federal government when it comes to swabs and reagents and making sure that we've got the kind of robust testing that we need so we've got data that we can actually rely on," Whitmer told NBC News on Wednesday.

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Kevin Grand
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 12:16pm

This should be good.

Freedom or facism?

Easy call if you are a real American.

Jeff
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 2:49am

Enjoy getting sick, dumbass

Kevin Grand
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:11am

About that...

"Using these data, the researchers calculated the infection fatality rate, that is, the percent of people infected with the disease who die: "A hundred deaths out of 48,000-81,000 infections corresponds to an infection fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%," they report.* That's about the same infection fatality rate the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates for seasonal influenza."

https://reason.com/2020/04/17/covid-19-lethality-not-much-different-than...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

You may now go back and hide in the corner of your closet while tightly clutching your blankey.

The adults are ready to get Michigan back to work and attempt to repair the damage caused by Gov. Karen.

Ellen
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:07am

The error you make is depending on the numbers alone. They don't tell the complete story. The problem with this virus is twofold. 1 the ease and quickness of it's spreading, 2 the fact that there is no real way to predict how it will affect each individual. There have been 90 year olds who have survived it well, and healthy 20 somethings who have dropped dead. Those are the real issues. And frankly, if you were a real adult, you would not be so ready to endanger those around you.

Tom
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 7:53pm

Most of the sick young people are being sent to U of M. Half their SICU is people in their 20s and 30s on vents and ECMO, many of which are unlikely to survive.

Mort
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:51pm

Relax stop watching cnn

LOL
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:26am

I get it, "mort". Watch FUX News instead and DIE. LOL

Your subtle humor will escape the protesters.

Linda
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 6:17am

Fox News is the only reliable network out there! If you would pay attention, to what is actually said by either the President, or anyone else for that matter, then listen to how CNN presents it, you can tell it is most definitely piecemealed together. To put it bluntly Fake news! Wake up Communist News Network Watcher. What's going on right now in Michigan, because of that Governor, is what socialism is like? Ever been to a 3rd world country? Well, I have, and that is how it works!

Alex
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 11:38am

The flu is much harder on young people. The death rate under fifty is flat. You have to be over 60 with preexisting conditions . The rate is over stated with presumed cases about 10 000, this is the worst year for flu A and B in 20 years. Deaths are somewhere around 70,000. Hard to tell because hospitals dont get paid by the government for the flu and do for CV19 so any old person who dies of anything is counted as CV. Stll the rate is under 1%.. the estimates are off by 20 times the amounts. Amit your mistake and start up before its to late. Or is there a different reason????

Clear
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 8:28am

It's becoming increasingly clear that the work or lack thereof of the GOP dominated Michigan legislature is not an essential service, that along with Kevin Grand's nonsensical comments.

schoolmarm
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:27pm

I say thank you to the GOP for asking Whitmer to be reasonable, instead of allowing her to try to micro-manage every citizen in Michigan. She is clearly on a power trip, and as the article points out, has imposed the most oppressive, ridiculous restrictions of any state. She is not listening to the people. They can handle some restrictions, they can be safe and responsible. For cripe sake let them mow grass, work on their home projects, plant gardens, and go fishing if they can respect social distancing and follow the mask, hand washing, etc routine. We are not all idiots. Some jobs/activities she frantically cut on the last wave of control were over the top.

Sally Olszewski
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 4:59pm

Whitmer is on a power trip, her mission is hate Trump and trying to become Bidens VP. When you put a bann on the medicine that will saves lives (hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin which is medicine well used) I don't think you care about Michigan lives. She is just trying to prove a point to the demostrators that she is not going to back down. The people will show her we will not tolerate a dictator. Maybe she also needs to learn she does not make laws. Socialism will not survive in the United States.

Anne
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 2:04pm

About that, to say that one instance was incorrect is incorrect to say that it does not happen. Today a 5-year old died from CovID-19 and has not had any previous health issues. Why don't you go find a job that is still open (Amazon, delivery person for restaurants, Tim Horton's, etc...), and work from there, let the others who want to stay home and stay safe do what they want. Best to you.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 9:41pm

Then you can stay home until there are zero cases open the damn state up

Naw
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 9:52am

You're an extremist.

Reasonable One
Tue, 04/28/2020 - 9:47am

What are you talking about? Who is going to be able to eat out or purchase sh** from the Jeff Bezos tax free empire much longer? Our economy is collapsing. The solution is WAY worse than the problem. If you want to stay in, then stay in. I'm sure that if you have underlying conditions, your employer will work with you. The rest of us are worried that there is going to be nothing to go back to after all is said and done. Did Whitmer just buy a cartridge to put in the printer, because I don't think the government can cover all the expenses that continue to grow.

Mort
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:59pm

Kevin your wasting your time like mark Twain once said it easier to fool people than it is to get people to admit they've been fooled

You're the fool
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:29am

Yeah, we should listen to fools like you and the GOP governor of Georgia where COVID19 cases are rising and he wants to open tatoo and massage parlors! That's not foolish, right?

Joni
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 3:36pm

The CDC is basically restating the same things your mother taught you and yes real adults can manage this:
1. cover your mouth and nose if you sneeze or cough
2. stay home if you are sick
3. wash your hands
4 . personal space.
Don't be so quick to say others are endangering those around us, any year that you had a cold or flu you too were spreading it Trying to make others feel guilty for something they aren't doing doesn't work. There is never ANY predictability on any seasonal cold or flu on how they will affect everyone across the board.

rebel
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:59pm

This has what whitmer, and what I believe alot of the blue states have done. They cancelled elective surgeries in the hospitals. In order to compensate for the lack of money coming in....all the hospitals have made all the emergencies coming in as corona virus because the federal govt picks up the tab of between 9000 to 13000 per patient. This is confirmed by the fact that since the spread of the corona virus the regular deaths of cancer, heart attack , accidents and the like have gone drastically down. Also in this state, and other blue states the report of the viruses is still not enough to compensate for the financial loss...hence layoffs.

Nick s
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:53am

Those studies are to small and to far away. Theres many different strains. Why are our hospitals crowding dead bodies in sleep study rooms? New York has a mass grave. Your not an expert, your going to hurt people you dolt.

Freezer Section
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:20am

Don't believe the pictures of refrigerator trucks lined up in a row in NYC/Brooklyn where they are using forklifts to load the dead bodies? You should watch 60 Minutes from yesterday, unless you think it's just Fake News. They interviewed morgue transport people who had to transport one of their own in a body bag. You can't be human and think this is fine, all made up stuff. You have to be a Russian bot, Kevin. Oh and if Trump thinks China gave us this flu, the Trump should demand the closure of all the Chinese wet markets as a condition of any US/China trade deals.

Kevin Grand
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:04pm

Mixing up stories when facts prove too troublesome.

Sad.

Kevin lies
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:15pm

You deny the increase in deaths caused by COVID19. You can't handle the truth. Go volunteer at a hospital and see for yourself, then get back to us.

Boonie
Mon, 04/27/2020 - 2:49pm

Always seems to happen that way. :)

Bonnie
Mon, 04/27/2020 - 2:50pm

Always seems to happen that way. :)

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 9:43pm

Did cuomo use the 35,000 venihaltors he needed. Not

Prep BEFORE
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:38am

Are people still getting infected? Yes Will there multiple waves of infection? Yes

sean diamond
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 7:52am

Have you considered that the bodies are stacking up because funerals are banned?

Tom Backus
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:10pm

It's too bad you can't block trolls in comments sections like you can with Facebook and twitter.

Newsy
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:41pm

Then people would only see views they agree with and confirm their inherent biases. How can that be a good thing in a freedom of press and speech environment? If you only what one view, watch the WH daily propaganda briefings. You better hurry because the rating keep declining and not sure how much longer they will last.

Dan
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:00am

You know what makes me sick? People who don't know that the contraction of "you are" is not "your", it's "you're". As in, "You're a dope if you support Whitmer".

Cathy
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:44am

You source your info based on your bias. "R naught represents an important concept in epidemiology and is a crucial part of public health planning during an outbreak. Scientists use R0 – the reproduction number – to describe the intensity of an infectious disease outbreak. R0 estimates have been an important part of characterizing pandemics or large publicized outbreaks, including the 2003 SARS pandemic, the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic and the 2014 Ebola epidemic in West Africa. It's something epidemiologists are racing to nail down about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. basic reproduction number represents the maximum epidemic potential of a pathogen. It describes what would happen if an infectious person were to enter a fully susceptible community. While your promoting get out their and spread it, your conflict arises when you push the "China should not have allowed travel". The travel undoubtedly promoted the spread and so will yours.

Jen
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:02pm

It's early research restricted to a specific county in CA, not solid proof that it's safe to reopen the country. As the experts who conducted the study clearly state in the direct quote from the article:

"While our study was limited to Santa Clara County, it demonstrates the feasibility of seroprevalence surveys of population samples now, and in the future, to inform our understanding of this pandemic's progression, project estimates of community vulnerability, and monitor infection fatality rates in different populations over time. It is also an important tool for reducing uncertainty about the state of the epidemic, which may have important public benefits"

It's basically saying the research can deepen understanding of how many people were actually exposed in order to accurately calculate prevalence and death rate. This can help communities make strategic, informed decisions about how to reopen. It does not say that the research proves that it is safe to relax quarantine restrictions or that threat of the virus has subsided.

A final note: the summary you cited, which was written by the scientists who conducted the research concludes:

"The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection IS MUCH MORE WIDESPREAD THAN INDICATED BY THE NUMBER OF CONFIRMED CASES. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections."

This means that the research methods used in this study revealed a higher percentage of infection than previously known, which affects calculated mortality rates. It also recommends that that the methodology should be replicated other places to help states understand the true impact of the virus in their communities so they can make informed decisions. The research is not proof that the virus has been conquered.

Your comment just spread misinformation. As did this article you referenced. In order to properly cite a source, you have to understand what it says. Here's the link to the full study so you can see how the author of the article you cited misrepresented the data by comparing it to the death rate of another disease calculated in an entirely different type of study. The scientists working on the study made no such comparisons and do not mention influenza or any other disease in their research. Also no scientist yet has said that it's safe to relax restrictions if the death rate of covid-19 is the same or lower than the national death rate for influenza.

The scientists who conducted this research made no such comparison because their goal was to find a way to properly measure prevalence, not to prove that it's safe for Santa Clara county or any other location in the country to relax restrictions. I would recommend that you go to the corner and read the research closely so you don't spread misinformation again.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

Meg
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 7:30pm

Do you Kevin.

Stefani
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 7:53pm

Go Kevin!!

James N
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 6:43am

Well stated! “Oh Nanny state save me from EVERYTHING that could kill me!”
Money Liberty Will be damned!

James N LOL
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:19am

Damn those seat belts and the government for making me wear them! What a drama queen! Who feed you that crap your nanny or your drama teacher?

Michael Borton
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 5:45am

The difference is you are given the information and it your choice if you wear seatbelt. They can't screw with you just becuase not wearing .
Her orders are not reasonable as required by law. She can lock down just metro Detroit where 80% of cases are and leave rest of state alone but she won't due that becuase that would make her base mad. Also there is zero science in wearing mask the few study been done show there not effective unless it a special fitted mask. Kind like this random 6 foot bs the average cough and sneeze distance is 12 to 20 feet.

John McDaniel
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:37am

You go, Kevin. Please go. Go Google "John McDaniel"

He died for what he believed.

cheeflo
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 3:51pm

His obituary says he died from complications of COVID-19. There is no way of knowing what that even means. Since the numbers are not reliable, it's hard to know just who is dying from the virus. They're not even doing post-mortem testing but are including deaths where it's a reasonable assumption.

Susan Manning
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 1:39pm

She did nothing to anticipate the pandemic. I would have checked hospital inventories and had the state troopers. along Southern borders . She acted helpless getting supplies after 10 days of the task force saying go through FEMA. Or buy your own, call us if we are bidding on the same thing. She is an Embarrassment to me (as a woman.)

Linda
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 3:11pm

Well said Susan Manning, I am a woman and totally agree!

kim
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 1:42pm

Thank you!

No Kidding
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:12am

I totally agree! These supposed "Freedom Fighters" are ignorant jokers. Each and every one of them is putting us all at greater risk.

They recklessly protest side by side without masks toting Trump posters, like it's a political rally without their orange leader present.

It's like the Tea Party all over again, with the same people complaining, only this time they don't care about exploding deficits. The Tea Party was fighting against the establishment, ie Obama. So I guess now they are protesting the establishment, ie Trump?

It looks mostly like a bunch of white men who tend not to like people of color or women! Last time they protested the black guy and it seems like this time they are protesting "that woman".

I mean, Trump is up for election in November, not Whitmer. Trump is telling everyone to wear masks and listen to their governors. Trump is extending the border closure with Canada. In Florida, with a Republican governor, they have 9PM curfews. So why aren't they mad at Trump?

Even Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel who lives in Michigan said, “I am rooting for Gov. Whitmer." She had to admit, "I think she’s done good things.”

So who exactly are the supposed tyrants? I think Trump is because his indecision and lack of leadership is far worse than any misplaced claims of tyranny on the part of local officials who are showing tangible successes in flattening the curve.

I must admit that it must be a gut punch to their egos to see how in times like this their businesses are completely non essential, more frivolous than things human beings really need. I'm sure a lot of them equate their jobs with their identity. They probably question their meaning in life which only makes them want to shoot a gun more. Instead they should consider changing their ways to support our economy in all the ways that are in fact essential. We see now that our country is really lacking in those areas. Hopefully younger people will be inspired to take on greater true patriotism by preparing for careers that can better prepare us for future needs for the greater common good. Hopefully those people will have better paychecks to reflect the importance of their work.

In the meantime, I guess it doesn't matter because like the wise words in Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.

Paul Hogan
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 6:00pm

No kidding, you ask some great questions and clearly show that you are seeking the truth. By your own admission, you did not understand the Tea Party group or the protesters. Your hard-won wisdom from watching Forrest Gump is not translating well to proper analysis of this crisis and how to overcome it. Tyrants are never tyrannical because they are indecisive and lack leadership- you'd be hard pressed to find a single example of a tyrant in history who is described that way. Tyrants are those people who use excessive political power to achieve their personal policy objectives. They usually are not constrained by legislative or judicial branches, frequently violate civil liberties like the freedom to assemble or the freedom to protect yourself, and are often opposed to free markets and civil society and religious institutions. If you understood what tyranny was, you'd understand why it's important to resist it.

I know it's easier to just engage in character-assassination and name-calling like you did rather than try to understand economics, history, philosophy, and law. It really is- just call people 'racist' and 'sexist' like you like to do, and then you can dehumanize them. And once these people are not humans but rather monsters, you don't have to listen to them and you don't have to respect them and you probably don't even have to care too much while you work to take away their liberties, property, and freedom. You're not the first or the last to fall into this line of thinking.

Hopefully though there are more people out there who are better than you, and in the coming elections they vote the right way. Otherwise my children and grandchildren are going to have less liberty, property, and less protections of their lives because of people like you.

Tom K
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 4:46pm

No one is advocating being stupid. The choice is not between getting sick and getting back to work. Everyone must use common sense and stay within guidelines. Interestingly enough essential manufacturing is now and has been operating while the virus has been active. These operations practice safe procedures, social distancing, protective masks and gloves, good hygiene etc. If they can function safely the most operations currently shut down can function safely. We will all have to be diligent and abide by the rules but it can be done.

LG
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:26am

Hey I Wonder
Do you realize how many cases of the regular old influenza there were during the 2019-2020 flu season? 19 Million, with nearly 30,000 deaths, that's just the regular good old fashion flu, that has a vaccine! Why weren't we put under Marshall Law, like Whitmer, practically has us under now? Because it's new, whether it's something China accidently released, from a lab in Wuhan, or perhaps it did start in Wuhan's Marketplace, which I highly doubt, and we have no vaccine for it yet but there will be. Did you also know that the vaccine for influenza is only 30% effective. We have different strains, every year.The writing is on the wall, Whitmer, has abused her power, to show I am woman hear me roar! Well, I am a woman, who's been around a lot longer than Whitmer, and knows far more about governing than she ever will, but I am not on an Ego Trip! Wake up Michigan! It's time to loosen the reins, there are already 100's upon 100's of small businesses that are going to file bankruptcy, because of this. A lot of them could have remained open, like they did in other states, but no Whitmer had to abuse her power, and close them! Recall Her! Michigan is an already dying State, we were getting back on track, until she was voted in, I'm proud to say, not by me! She may as well be one of OAC's Squad, that's the stand she takes, she's as far left and socialist as OAC is!

Rick
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:10am

'..if you are a real American.'

What a stupid statement. A really dumb American who gets sick and needs other REAL Americans to risk their lives to treat him.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 9:45pm

Stay home then good lord if Snyder was governor you would be complaining about him abusing your rights

Catch 22
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:42am

First you people complain the governor wanted to shut down the state, then you said she didn't shut it down fast enough, a few days ago you were saying she should never have shut it down and now you are saying she should open it up. She is the one in charge. We elected her, not you.

middle of the mit
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 4:42am

Karen grand,

I don't think you know what fascism really is, do you?

Let me give you the knowledge that you supposedly seek.

Fascism
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.Wikipedia

Ohhh! I am not done yet!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

The English words fascism and fascist are borrowings from Italian fascismo and fascista, derivatives of fascio (plural fasci), “bundle, fasces, group.” Fascista was first used in 1914 to refer to members of a fascio, or political group. In 1919, fascista was applied to the black-shirted members of Benito Mussolini’s organization, the Fasci di combattimento (“combat groups”), who seized power in Italy in 1922. Playing on the word fascista, Mussolini’s party adopted the fasces, a bundle of rods with an ax among them, as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state. The English word fascist was first used for members of Mussolini’s fascisti, but it has since been generalized to those of similar beliefs.

Examples of fascism in a Sentence
From the first hours of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. — Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007 Consider what happened during the crisis of global fascism. At first, even the truth about Hitler was inconvenient. Many in the west hoped the danger would simply go away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Known as Il Duce ("The Leader"), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][5][6] In 1912, Mussolini had been a leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI),[7] but was expelled from the PSI for advocating military intervention in World War I, in opposition to the party's stance on neutrality. Mussolini served in the Royal Italian Army during the war until he was wounded and discharged in 1917. Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on nationalism instead of socialism and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism[8] and class conflict, instead advocating "revolutionary nationalism" transcending class lines.[9] Following the March on Rome in October 1922, Mussolini became the youngest Italian Prime Minister up to that date. After removing all political opposition through his secret police and outlawing labor strikes,[10] Mussolini and his followers consolidated their power through a series of laws that transformed the nation into a one-party dictatorship. Within five years, Mussolini had established dictatorial authority by both legal and extraordinary means and aspired to create a totalitarian state. In 1929, Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the Vatican, ending decades of struggle between the Italian state and the Papacy, and recognized the independence of Vatican City. /////

Still want more Karen?

I mean, I am not going to go into his exploits into Africa...............that may hurt some of our brethren. And YES I do consider them brethren. Why? Because those who have mammon don't think that God has anything against it. I would point them to how God treated the Pharisees.Those are your brethren. They followed ALL of Gods laws, and yet Jesus renounced them as hypocrites. How? Why? Ask those who questioned the old lady with only two talents. The Pharisees derided her for her paltry donation.

Because what was in their hearts.

Mussolini initially held official support for the party's decision and, in an August 1914 article, Mussolini wrote "Down with the War. We remain neutral." He saw the war as an opportunity, both for his own ambitions as well as those of socialists and Italians. He was influenced by anti-Austrian Italian nationalist sentiments, believing that the war offered Italians in Austria-Hungary the chance to liberate themselves from rule of the Habsburgs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg

The nation has not disappeared. We used to believe that the concept was totally without substance. Instead we see the nation arise as a palpitating reality before us! ... Class cannot destroy the nation. Class reveals itself as a collection of interests—but the nation is a history of sentiments, traditions, language, culture, and race. Class can become an integral part of the nation, but the one cannot eclipse the other.[56]
The class struggle is a vain formula, without effect and consequence wherever one finds a people that has not integrated itself into its proper linguistic and racial confines—where the national problem has not been definitely resolved. In such circumstances the class movement finds itself impaired by an inauspicious historic climate.

Antagonism between the interventionists, including the Fascists, versus the anti-interventionist orthodox socialists resulted in violence between the Fascists and socialists. The opposition and attacks by the anti-interventionist revolutionary socialists against the Fascists and other interventionists were so violent that even democratic socialists who opposed the war such as Anna Kuliscioff said that the Italian Socialist Party had gone too far in a campaign of silencing the freedom of speech of supporters of the war. These early hostilities between the Fascists and the revolutionary socialists shaped Mussolini's conception of the nature of Fascism in its support of political violence.[62]

By the time he returned from service in the Allied forces of World War I, very little remained of Mussolini the socialist. Indeed, he was now convinced that socialism as a doctrine had largely been a failure. In 1917 Mussolini got his start in politics with the help of a £100 weekly wage (the equivalent of £6000 as of 2009) from the British security service MI5, to keep anti-war protestors at home and to publish pro-war propaganda.

The ideological basis for fascism came from a number of sources. Mussolini utilized works of Plato, Georges Sorel, Nietzsche, and the economic ideas of Vilfredo Pareto, to develop fascism. Mussolini admired Plato's The Republic, which he often read for inspiration.[69] The Republic expounded a number of ideas that fascism promoted, such as rule by an elite promoting the state as the ultimate end, opposition to democracy, protecting the class system and promoting class collaboration, rejection of egalitarianism, promoting the militarization of a nation by creating a class of warriors, demanding that citizens perform civic duties in the interest of the state, and utilizing state intervention in education to promote the development of warriors and future rulers of the state.[70] Plato was an idealist, focused on achieving justice and morality, while Mussolini and fascism were realist, focused on achieving political goals.[71]

The idea behind Mussolini's foreign policy was that of spazio vitale (vital space), a concept in Fascism that was analogous to Lebensraum in German National Socialism.[72] The concept of spazio vitale was first announced in 1919, when the entire Mediterranean, especially so-called Julian March, was redefined to make it appear a unified region that had belonged to Italy from the times of the ancient Roman province of Italia,[73][74] and was claimed as Italy's exclusive sphere of influence. The right to colonize the neighboring Slovene ethnic areas and the Mediterranean, being inhabited by what were alleged to be less developed peoples, was justified on the grounds that Italy was allegedly suffering from overpopulation.[75]

In the same way, Mussolini argued that Italy was right to follow an imperialist policy in Africa because he saw all black people as "inferior" to whites.[81] Mussolini claimed that the world was divided into a hierarchy of races (stirpe, though this was justified more on cultural than on biological grounds), and that history was nothing more than a Darwinian struggle for power and territory between various "racial masses".[81] Mussolini saw high birthrates in Africa and Asia as a threat to the "white race" and he often asked the rhetorical question "Are the blacks and yellows at the door?" to be followed up with "Yes, they are!". Mussolini believed that the United States was doomed as the American blacks had a higher birthrate than whites, making it inevitable that the blacks would take over the United States to drag it down to their level.[82] The very fact that Italy was suffering from overpopulation was seen as proving the cultural and spiritual vitality of the Italians, who were thus justified in seeking to colonize lands that Mussolini argued—on a historical basis—belonged to Italy anyway, which was the heir to the Roman Empire.

Nationalists in the years after World War I thought of themselves as combating the liberal and domineering institutions created by cabinets—such as those of Giovanni Giolitti, including traditional schooling. Futurism, a revolutionary cultural movement which would serve as a catalyst for Fascism, argued for "a school for physical courage and patriotism", as expressed by Filippo Tommaso Marinetti in 1919. Marinetti expressed his disdain for "the by now prehistoric and troglodyte Ancient Greek and Latin courses", arguing for their replacement with exercise modelled on those of the Arditi soldiers ("[learning] to advance on hands and knees in front of razing machine gun fire; to wait open-eyed for a crossbeam to move sideways over their heads etc."). It was in those years that the first Fascist youth wings were formed: Avanguardia Giovanile Fascista (Fascist Youth Vanguards) in 1919, and Gruppi Universitari Fascisti (Fascist University Groups) in 1922. //////

Sound familiar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[54][55] A major element of fascist ideology that has been deemed to be far-right is its stated goal to promote the right of a supposedly superior people to dominate, while purging society of supposedly inferior elements.[56]

Benito Mussolini, who was the first to use the term for his political party in 1915, described fascism in The Doctrine of Fascism as follows:[17]

Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century were the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

...everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.

Sergio Panunzio

LOOOK HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[18] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme

Dirigisme or dirigism (from French diriger, meaning 'to direct') is an economic doctrine in which the state plays a strong directive role as opposed to a merely regulatory or non-interventionist role over a capitalist market economy.[1] As an economic doctrine, dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire, stressing a positive role for state intervention in curbing productive inefficiencies and market failures

hA HA HA HA HA HA!!

I am sorry! I just can't do it anymore!

The confliction, the hypocrisy, the udder ineptness of conservatives and their inability to accept objectional truth. As opposed to their succumbing of subjective truth and their utter failure to realize absolute truth.

I apologize to the readers and the staff of Bridge. I was trying to do some good. In doing so, I tried to take over your message board like others before me from a different "perception" were doing before I started commenting.

I realize the errors of my way, but I refuse to back down.

I will try to the best of my ability to be as polite as I can while others say a pandemic is political.

But I won't back down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4ustq-kmQ

Phil Powers
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 7:06am

Kevin Grand, world-reknown epidemiologist, says it's cool to cross the street. We should believe him because he's gone through pandemics before several times and knows exactly how to handle these things. He's an expert. Fauci learned from Kevin. Hey Kevin, go wash your hands and sit your ass down, boy.

Kevin's Mom
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:19pm

Phil, you know "Kevin Grand" is not a real person, right? It's just a Russian bot.

Evelyn Belanger
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 12:25pm

Freedom!

Average guy
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 1:06pm

That is a smart and prudent position to take for any member of the legislation that wants re elected. This stay at home order is going to bring many more people out to vote than ever before.

Better than avg
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:39am

Actually, it will dramatically increase no-reason absentee voting. We can all thank God that allowance just passed in Michigan. Now we can vote in large numbers AND stay safe. It's Trump's greatest fear. I suspect that's making you crap your pants too. When more people vote, GOP loses. That's why the GOP is adamant about suppressing voter turnout.

Chris
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 2:13pm

AMEN AND HALLLLLELUYAHHHHHH SENATE REPUBLICANS!!!!

What?
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:06am

Chris, all Michigan GOP useless.

Not surprised
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 4:56pm

He's just trying to be relevant. What's his job anyway? Did he approve any funding to address the pandemic, like increasing the procurement or providing incentives to manufacturer of testing? Shirkey and Chatfield are completely useless. Thank God for the end of gerrymandering in Michigan. Expect them to go down kicking and screaming clutching their government paychecks and try to get family members to replace them because of term limits. They love nepotism and epitomize deep state, swamp, and lobbyists' interests. Chatfield want an American Taliban ruling us. Can't wait to see them leave.

Rick
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 4:59pm

He must have a crystal ball or maybe one of those 8 balls.

Susie Que
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 5:33pm

I'm so glad I found "The Bridge"- this site has far better coverage than other newspapers!

One thing I hadn't realized is that the Governor wanted to retain that emergency authority through June 10- that is a long way off. It seems like she'd want to include the Legislature in on the decision making as soon as possible so that this can be a bipartisan consensus that responds to all the needs of Michigan's residents.

I wonder how she arrived at June 10 as a good date to return power back to our elected officials? What data or models or studies is she looking at when she makes decisions, and who is paying for those and how accurate have they been? I wish I could see this information- why do you think it isn't being revealed somewhere?

Karen Dunnam
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:23pm

"One thing I hadn't realized is that the Governor wanted to retain that emergency authority through June 10 ..."
As I understand it, she was looking at their self-inflicted calling of the question in Lansing. Remember that farce April 7, when they voted to extend it 23 days? (Shirkey led it off by singing (!!!) a hymn. Chatfield didn't wear a mask at all.) To extend past April 30, they'll have to reconvene and gather again.
If they'd gone with June 10, it could be lifted earlier, depending on developments.

"Members waited in their cars until they were summoned by text message to the House floor in groups of five. Attendance took nearly three hours as Chatfield awaited a quorum of 55 members to proceed with a voice vote.
He did not take up a separate resolution proposed by House Minority Leader Christine Greig, D-Farmington Hills, that would allow legislators to participate in future sessions remotely using electronic and interactive technology during a state of emergency or disaster."

Read more: Bridge covered it April 7, 2020

Tom Geyman..Monroe
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 2:34pm

If the the Republican think is ok to lift the Gov's orders... they should just go the the floor with no restrictions on numbers or protection and vote... the Dem's will possibly not even attend to protest such action... have at it I say!!

Something stinks
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:17am

That would assume the GOP believes it's own nonsense. Remember the GOP is comprised of show horses, not work horses. Showmanship starts at the top with reality tv star of Trump Inc. Local GOP are just his brown-nose Apprentices.

ALFRED MANFRONI
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:20pm

isnt it funny that legislators who are screaming about opening the economy dont want to be with other legislators. There affraid of catching something. What a bunch of tools and hypocrites

Tough luck
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:25am

They're also afraid because deep down inside the Republicans know COVID19 cases will increase in their districts after time they meet in Lansing. Constituents will not like that part of their tantrums. It really sucks to be elected as a Republican in times like this. They have to show minimal deference to the crazy faction of their constituents and balance that with the sane constituents that will survive the virus to hopefully, in their minds, reelect them. It's like a sensuous tango. LOL

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:15pm

Do you think any of them will take responsibility if the cases start rising up here in the North once they open the State?

Nobody up here cares anyway. And they won't until it hits bad. Open it up and let it fall on Shirkey, Chatfield and the Republicans.

We have a reliable news source here with Bridge that will document it even if other news sites won't.

You're Right
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:08am

No, they'll just blame it on southeast Michigan. GOP never takes responsibility for anything: Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. Look at who got what for Payroll Protection Program, Trump donors maxing their limits and using all the GOP loopholes for large corporations getting hundreds of millions of dollars. Legit small businesses: Sorry, too bad for you, no more money.

Kishauwau
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 7:56am

Gut feeling

Ellen
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:03am

I think she and the governors of WI, OH, IL, MN, IN and KY have all been discussing this as a group. Since all these states border each other and the outcomes may affect each other. It makes sense to me. Also, this date has been discussed by the other groups of states.

Sn1959
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 6:04pm

Still waiting for Shirkey and Chatfield to condemn the racist who’ve attended the rally last week. Protests over stay at home are one thing but the confederate flags, nazi signs, white supremacy was uncalled for and should be condemned! Step up gentleman!

Cali
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:40am

We need to focus on opening the economy there is such a thing called freedom of speech I’m not saying it’s right but that’s the least of my worries and I am a minority. In response to the person worried about confederate flags.

NO CALI
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:17pm

Well, I'm a minority too and I think they should condemn the use of White Supremacy symbols and speech to supposedly demand freedom for all. The racists are free to speak, but our representatives are also free to speak and condemn such vile speech. Clearly the irony of whiny advocates of oppression is lost on you, but not on the rest of us.

Cali
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:42am

We need to focus on opening the economy there is such a thing called freedom of speech I’m not saying it’s right but that’s the least of my worries and I am a minority. In response to the person worried about confederate flags.

Hmmm
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:25pm

I don't see African Americans in photos of the Lansing protest, but there are confederate flags. So I guess we just have to trust you, unless we prefer not to be gullible.

Concerned MI re...
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 1:13am

Good points regarding the presence of Confederate flags, Nazi signs and white supremacy at the protest rally. This is not acceptable and our legislators need to denounce this behavior.

Mike
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:15am

Denounce it? My republic at representative drove down from Manton and was in it, as were many more, and a few candidates running for office. So much for social distancing. They even blocked access to the hospital entrance. We sure will remember them in November.

Just A Nurse
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:26am

Why bring more publicity to their behavior , which is exactly what it would be doing .
When you look at the map of Michigan , by counties , there are four counties that account for the largest infection rate and deaths . All surrounding the airport in Detroit
Michigan needs to be sensible when starting to reopen .
Personally , I feel this Governor has way stepped over her boundaries .
I see covid patients , have any died, yes. One was because of visiting her elderly parent. The visitor was from Detroit . That’s a complete lack of sense .
There needs to be rules , within limits . Michigan is not a dictatorship !

Real RN
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:25pm

You lie. Nurses on the front line know better and you should pay attention to where the curve is rising and leveling in the state. Tri county area is flattening. The Michigan conservative Bible Belt Region 6 is where infections are RISING. See for yourself:

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/michigan-may-be-past-coro...

The only dictators I see are reckless local pastors insisting their congregations attend church service in person. Oh and dumb protest organizers. I didn't see any nurses protesting.

Anonymous
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:39pm

Why would someone bring a swastika to a protest against Nazi-esque policies?
I'm just saying, if you open a history book, you will find one other country who, in the past, alienated a single segment of the population, and called upon citizens to report their neighbors. Anyone care to guess who, and when?

Trump Master
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:47am

"Why would someone bring a swastika to a protest against Nazi-esque policies?
I'm just saying, if you open a history book, you will find one other country who, in the past, alienated a single segment of the population, and called upon citizens to report their neighbors. Anyone care to guess who, and when?"

Answer: Trump circa 2015-Present and I don't need to wave a swastika to prove it. Just listen to his words and watch his actions, you know, the guy who took Mexican children from their parents and put them in cages.

Kelly
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 2:10am

Get back under your bridge, troll. The rebel flag is not a racist flag - It is a symbol of freedom, rights and individual responsibility. Stop drinking kool-aid, I know it's sugary sweet but it's not good for you.

Harris
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:16am

There are monuments in nearly every courthouse square testifying to the sacrifice of young men who fought against that rebel flag. This is the Michigan history. That said, racism has also been a longstanding part of Michigan’s history from the KKK to redlining and 8 Mile as a dividing line. In this light, as a Union State, as a state with its own sad heritage, the rebel flag is fundamentally tied to racial safe-guarding. In Michigan, we can do better.

Ellen
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:17am

The rebel flag is not only racist, but a symbol of a losing team that just can't admit defeat.

Joe
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:28am

No, what you call the “rebel flag” is the symbol of losers who died fighting for something stupid. It still is.

Kathi Geukes
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:00am

Nice try but the confederate flag represents nothing but bigotry....whites who wanted blacks eating and drinking away from them so they wouldn't "catch" what black people had. IE the color of their skin...if it represents individual responsibility to you, then would you let your child play with a black child? Have that black child over to dinner? Move next to a black couple with children? No? I hate to tell you this but you are in the minority. Whether you realize it or not....black people have "invaded" your world and it's not going to stop!! Have a nice day!!!

Whale of a Tail!
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:37pm

Kathy, you and all the other people who think that the rebel flag symbolizes bigotry need to go back to your history books, seems that you didn't pay attention in school.
One of the items that brought tensions to the level of a civil war was in fact slavery but there was much more and the flag symbolized rebellion and independence, not slavery.
Too bad that people can't think for themselves anymore. What a shame.
The education system has failed us...

To Better Times
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:41pm

Makes sense, if you disregard the whole slavery thing? Do you realize how stupid you sound? That talk may make sense at your KKK meetings, but not in real life. I'm white and you disgust me. You are a sorry lot and I abhor everything about people like you. Oh and I voted for Obama twice, can't wait for Biden because I want to Make America Nice Again. I'm happy with Gretchen Whitmer or Stacey Abrams for VP. I'd look forward to see Gilchrist as governor if Whitmer is VP. Unlike you, I love my black brothers and sisters, all children of God.

middle of the mit
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 2:06am

Isn't if funny how the party who likes to say that the democratic party was the party of slavery now all of a sudden..well....since the late 1960's has taken on the same banner that Dixiecrat's used to wave?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

The States' Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States, active primarily in the South. After President Harry S. Truman ordered integration of the military in 1948 and other actions to address civil rights of African Americans, many Southern conservative white politicians who objected to this course organized themselves as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party, determined to protect Southern states' rights to maintain racial segregation.[1]

Supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy in the face of possible federal intervention. Its members were referred to as "Dixiecrats", a portmanteau of "Dixie", referring to the Southern United States, and "Democrat".

The party did not run local or state candidates. After the 1948 election, its leaders generally returned to the Democratic Party.[2] The Dixiecrats had little short-run influence on politics, but they represented the weakening of the "Solid South". (This referred to the Democratic Party's total control of presidential elections in the South and most seats in Congress, largely through decades of disenfranchisement of blacks since the turn of the century. Blacks had historically been aligned with the Republican Party before being excluded from politics in the region.)[3]

The term "Dixiecrat" has sometimes been used by Northern Democrats to refer to conservative Southern Democrats from the 1940s to the 1990s, regardless of any views expressed about white supremacy or segregation.[4] /////

Ironic
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:13am

The GOP, the party of Lincoln, embraces the confederate flag.... Wow mind blown! We're damned.

Boosie
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:38pm

That would be a Gadsen flag, not a Confederate flag. Michigan fought for the union. Thank you for sharing.

Shame on you
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:31pm

That's true if you ignore reality. The confederates were heinous slave-owning traitors who fought again the Union of our country in a bloody civil war and by the way they lost. So it's a symbol of LOSERS, nothing to be proud about. The stars and stripes symbolize the UNITED States of America, freedom, the Constitution. You take no personal responsibility other than complaining and hating. Grow up. Stop hiding behind your LOSER flag.

Jeff
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 2:51am

Those nutjobs are their voting base, they'd welcome them with open arms before condemning them.

Matt
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:17am

Typical leftist who redefines and flat out makes up things to smear those they disagree with. Not buying buy conferate flag connection and please give link showing the Nazi flags/signs! While comparing Whitmer to a Nazi is stupid it's something the left has been doing forever.

Your guys
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:49pm

The left has been comparing Whitmer to a Nazi forever? What are you smoking? Check out this from Business Insider (liberal?):

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-host-defends-michigan-protesters-wit...

It's about a Fox host defending the protesters who employed racist symbols like the confederate flag and a Nazi swastika. All the things you questioned existed at the protest.

All you had to do was a quick Google search, lazy Matt.

Dieti
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 3:36pm

The Nazi sign and confederate flag, one of each, were making a statement on Whitmer. The Nazi sign read something like "Heil Whitmer". Irony escapes you.

Alex Chance
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:06am

This conversation reminds me of the time when President Trump said that the media blaming him for the virus was a hoax, and then a bunch of progressives started claiming that the President called the virus a hoax. Here, we have a bunch of signs saying that fascism and Nazism are wrong and should be opposed, and the media and progressives instead report that Trump was waving a Nazi sign. Either these people are idiots and fools and too dumb to understand life, or they are liars and dishonest and understand what they are saying but just don't care. Ignorant or lying- either option is bad.

Wake Up
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:57pm

Red herring, but nice try. The pictures don't lie, but keep worshiping Trump. He's the captain of the Titanic only waiting in the first lifeboat. He's not going down with you on the ship.

Dave
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 9:52pm

We have one chance to get this right, and if we don’t, we will have to repeat all this throughout the summer. Public health experts, physicians, and scientists are the ones who should sound the ‘all clear’ signal. Not a bunch of Republican legislators more concerned about economics.

Dave is Wrong
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:55am

Sadly Dave, you are wrong. All the current models predict that even with strict social distancing and closing down the economies, this virus will continue to hit all through summer and into next year. Suggesting that we all cower in fear in our homes until it is gone will take years, and if the economy doesn't open up in the next month or two we'll the economic supply chain will begin to collapse. Inflation is already hitting (groceries getting more expensive anyone?) and the competition for scarce resources will lead to increased inflation and eventually shortages. Your 'experts' are all going to be paid throughout this whole crisis (and the 'experts' you listed all represent the top 5% of income earners in the US) so they aren't going to have skin in the game- but the rest of us do. Sadly, the cower in fear approach leads to more harm than good.

YOU are wrong
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:03pm

You should be asking your legislators why farmers are throwing away their crops, instead of canning, freezing, dehydrating or donating them. What an outrage? Why not pay unemployed people to save our food supply? What the hell? You guys have such misplaced priorities and are such selfish snowflakes. What are you doing to actually make things better, help us get back to our economy and prevent the rampant spread of COVID19?

Anonymous
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 7:14pm

I think you all should watch Mark Taylor on you tube for april 16.17.18. Your eyes will be opened to see what the real agenda is on the left.

Joslynn olelewe
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 1:50am

Hi my name is joslynn olelewe
Can you let everybody to go back to work because some people need to take their kids to school . And pay their cell phone bill and I want to go back to work too

Safe, not Sorry
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:09pm

Joslynn, none of that matters when you and they are dead.

Ellen
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:16am

What I saw last week at my state capital amounted to a bunch of adult sized toddlers having a tantrum because they were being asked to do something very hard. Yeah, it's hard for everyone not just them. But the rest of us have chosen to try to make the best of it, do what we can to shorten the time of it, and try to help each other through this. The way they all acted it's as if they believe the Gov. made this virus.
And the folks gathering up with no masks no distancing on the lawn, with kids carrying signs should be ashamed....
The folks on the step puffing out their chests and strapped full of guns...should have been arrested. Frankly, I'd say many of them are the ones not regarding the original stay at home making it necessary for more stringent rules, since there were very few masks to be seen.
And for the lot of them who think this is so damn hard....they should all have to spend a week working on a COVID ward at a hospital so they can see first hand how hard it really is. So they can know exactly why we are all supposed to stay at home. This was nothing more than a vicious political rally. Use your time and energy a little more constructively folks. We really are all in this together.

steve
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:19am

In my county the 2 hospitals are on the verge of bankruptcy with hundreds of layoffs.
And the entire economic activity had been decimated.
For what? 3 dead.
That's right. 3 dead from corona.
Amazing destruction from the hand of an inept governor.

Cathy
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:56am

Steve your numbers are not representative. An amazing numbers of newspapers, even National Geographic, are allowing free access to any and all pandemic related articles. Doesn't matter if your leaning right or left, the information is free for all to access and gives everyone the opportunity to educate themselves and save lives.

Dee
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:16pm

So how many have to die for you to get concerned? If the governor had left everything open then many more would be dead- maybe your parents or some of your friends. Oh well, those people don't matter to me, so why should I care? How many people do you know? Think about this for a minute. So how about thinking about this- for every hundred people you know 50 of them will get sick and can't work for up to a month anyway. 15 go to the hospital and 3 of them die. How would that be?

Ciceb
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 9:48am

Anyone who feels that the state should remain closed doesn’t care to go back to work or have a business that’s being completely destroyed. Those people that are either too lazy to go back to work or work for governor Whitmer and are continuing to be paid could care less about the devastation that this situation has caused most Michiganders. I’m beginning to think this whole thing was more of a scam than anything else to cripple our nation. And yes I will take a chance on my health because I can take the proper precautions on my own. Most intelligent people can.

Wanda
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:39am

In response to: "And yes I will take a chance on my health because I can take the proper precautions on my own. Most intelligent people can."
I own a business, and yes, the shut down may kill my business, I want to go back to work, I am not lazy, I am intelligent, I take all the proper precautions, I've been in self isolation for 5 weeks, I miss my family terribly...however, I have a chronic health condition, and I could very easily die if I contract Covid-19. For those of you out there that honestly think we all want to stay home, this is very sad. So, ..."you will take a chance on your health", at the risk of my health? At the risk of my aging parents health? My auto immune child's health? I've had a close colleague die, all alone, of Covid-19, most of my friends are health care workers on the front lines and their stories are heart breaking. WE HAVE to get this right and look at evidence based science and understand that we are all in this together, despite political beliefs. Respectfully, this is about the greater good for ALL people.

Ally Willow
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 1:42pm

So you can stay home while others go back to work. Re-opening doesn't necessarily mean that you have to risk you -- while those that want to go back to work go. How does that put you at risk????

Risky Business
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:27pm

She said she has a child with a compromised immune system and you people want to open the schools. We need testing to contain people spreading the disease. The economy will open when we can stop the spread. It's too bad it's taking too long because we had warnings when we saw the spread in other countries. Unfortunately we didn't act and we still aren't. We've only tested 1 percent of the US population, far short of what was promised on March 13.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/09/trump-vowed-bring-drive-t...

It's risky even to have grocery stores open, but ESSENTIAL.

Anonymous
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 4:42pm

You obviously don’t know anyone who has gotten covid 19 or died from it. My husband has 4 coworkers that got it and 2 of them died. I take care of my elderly sick parents. We are terrified to rush back to work for fear of getting it or giving it to our love ones. We are not lazy by any means. You can’t lump people all in the same group of lazy. That would then make you narrow minded.

Find a better fit
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:17pm

Ciceb, maybe you should consider doing work that is essential to human life, instead of complaining. It's not about you taking responsibility for your health. It's about you spreading disease and over burden our delicate system. It's delicate because people like you are always too cheap to make necessary sacrifices. So do something worthwhile in terms of work or find a state that's a better fit. Most states are doing what Whitmer is doing, whether Republicans or Democrats, and oddly enough they are also following Trump's guidelines. So why don't you complain about Trump?

Jasper Griggs
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:18am

I didn't vote for these republicans who represent their little districts. I voted for Gretchen Whitmer. She is the Chief Executive of this state. Elections have consequences, and I thank GOD every day that Bill Schuette lost that last election. We'd be in worse shape than New York right now, and we'd be forced to risk our lives every minute of every day for the benefit of the shareholders. I trust Governor Gretchen Whitmer to protect the citizens of this state. I will never trust a republican to do anything, ever again, after their wholesale embrace of the man who is the antithesis of all they once proclaimed to be their principles and values.

KJMC
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:37am

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Mencken

So, looks like she should open the GOP-represented parts of the state. It's what they want.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:40pm

KJMC, but the common people voted for Whitmer, not you. In the end, GOP-represented parts of the state will do what they want and cause further hardship to everyone else, but there is no reason we should condone or encourage their reckless behavior. Their rights end where ours start. They don't have more rights than everyone else. Lastly, note that the virus is spreading faster in the most red counties.

Cathy
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:46am

I'm a life long republican. I'll be Boycotting all GOP at the polls far into the future. Shirkey will be at the top of that list.

Kat
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:47am

After reading most of the posts today.. the best idea I can come up with from others input ..IS..
Have the army core of engineers quickly install a tall fence around the South Eastern part of the great state of Michigan..and let the responsible LEGAL Americans in Michigan GO BACK TO WORK. That includes Cows chickens and hogs. :-)

John Nada
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 4:15pm

What a sensible, humorous and humane solution you've proposed. That doesn't sound extreme or bigoted AF in the slightest. Definitely the galaxy brain stuff of legend there, Kat. I'm sure it all makes perfect sense. The best way to ensure enduring "freedom" for all the "responsible" (read white, mostly rural and conservative) Michigan residents, is to put almost 4.3 million people in the Detroit metro area, inside a giant cage.
Sadly, I'm not surprised how many times I've seen this same pathetic trope being posted in the bridge comment section lately. Too bad the rich irony is lost on all the fools yelling about "Tyranny," who then suggest the perfect solution is robbing millions of other people of their rights. And their potentially their lives too.

Yee Yaw
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:33pm

"After reading most of the posts today.. the best idea I can come up with from others input ..IS..
Have the army core of engineers quickly install a tall fence around the South Eastern part of the great state of Michigan..and let the responsible LEGAL Americans in Michigan GO BACK TO WORK. That includes Cows chickens and hogs. :-)"

Well, Kat, funny you should say that because the rising rate of infection is probably not where you expected: the reckless Michigan Bible Belt.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/michigan-may-be-past-coro...

You best be turning off FUX News and start reading facts. Then git started building that wall in western Michigan.

Phyllis peterson
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:55am

Senator Shirkey:
Regarding wearing a mask into a restaurant.....
Are you suggesting the virus is put “on hold” each time the customer removes the mask and takes a bite of his/her meal?? I’m not understanding the efficacy of this.

Dale Dorrance
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:58am

We can have abortions in this state but I cannot get a test for cancer shame on you governor

Outrageous Lies
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:55pm

As someone fighting cancer, I haven't missed an appointment or a test, thankful also for all the thoughtful accommodations. How dare you spread such lies! Thank you, Gov Whitmer, for helping me stay alive.

Cheri
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 10:58am

Testing only tells if you have the virus, two days later you could have it after being tested. Save the tests for people with symptoms. The State of Michigan is still in danger, extend stay home policy maybe with less restrictions. Especially seniors and those more at risk.

A Yooper
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:15am

Shirkey,,,,stupid does as stupid is.
Stupid says as stupid is.
Stupid thinks as stupid is.
No vaccine for stupidity.
And, you don't deserve any COVID-19 vaccine.

Tom Stillings
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:38am

Whitmer should do her job on testing. Blaming everything on anyone but herself and her administration is her most noticeable trait. Nowhere is it authorized as a federal responsibility. She should prioritize by population density. That’s where the need and infection rate would dictate. If she can’t get the job done she should step down in favor of someone who can. There is no reason why the necessary steps cannot be taken without compromising individual liberty, especially in the heavy handed, possibly unconstitutional manner she has demonstrated up to this point

Vince Caruso
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:43am

These out-state GOP (members of the Grand Oligark Party) should read a little news sometime, eg: stop listening to the fox who seems to have a conflict with the truth. The virus is now clearly migrating into more outstate areas and will no doubt infect the entire state. GOPers are not immune to Covid-19 as they may think.
I would like to see the protesters who were in unprotected very close proximity to each other be followed and warn the residents of an imminent certain deadly outbreak is about to wash over them with little or no warning.
We need to help each other not alienate each other at this time of crisis, it is not a zero-sum game we are playing.

Dee
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:03pm

Republicans don't want to go to Lansing and vote because they don't want to die, but they want to let everyone else go back to work because they aren't as important. What happens when people go back to work and get sick? Will they get unemployment to help out with bills? Will they get help covering the hospital bill if they need it. People keep looking at this in % terms, but have they done the math. I've heard conjecture that up to 50% may be asymptomatic or won't get the virus. This is theory because we really don't know and without proper testing we won't know. 50% of Michigan is almost 5,000,000 people. Let say only 5% of those get really sick and have to go to the hospital that is 250,000 people. The death rate has been set at 3% of the total that get sick, so lets say 150,000. That is a lot of people out of work and a lot of hospital bills that could be avoided with a stay at home order. If anything the stay at home order was too lenient. Large stores should only have curbside pick up and only sell essential items needed to survive. If people go out in a public place, such as a store, they should be required to wear something over their face.

Peg Geran
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:51pm

Michigan will NOT open up until we get the clear from GOVERNOR WHITMER.Not some lame brain repugs.

Pug Gargarin
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 9:02pm

Actually, Governor Whitmer isn't a dictator, no more how much you wish she was. I know, deep down in your heart you yearn for a dictator to control everyone's behavior and give you the safety that you need even if leads to the trampling of the rights of others. But we live in America, a nation governed by laws and processes. The Governor is using emergency powers, in ways that are not perhaps 100% legal (and thus are perhaps illegal), to currently shut down the state.

Shutting down the state is leading to an increase in suicides, more drug overdoses, more domestic abuse, delays in cancer screenings, and avoidance of preventive medicine. Shutting down the state is leading to the loss of college for the middle and lower class children in the state, the wiping out of retirement funds, and the loss of opportunities for recent college graduates. The Governor is responsible for all of this.

Soon her time exercising excessive power will be at an end. Then bipartisan decision making can occur and laws can be enacted by elected officials. And then we'll see how things go after that. I predict that after she reluctantly surrenders her power back to elected officials that there will be a reduction in deaths due to the virus, an increase in testing, more economic growth, and less deaths due to the shutdown.

Not True
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:58pm

Pug, please post proof of your claims. GOP talking points are not per se facts. Show the citations for your claims.

Beth
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 12:57pm

This thinly veiled sexist attack on a female governor using words like ‘sensibly’ is typical for these two male leaders who are so threatened by someone daring to disagree with him. Their disdain for the Governor’s leadership from day one has produced nothing but gridlock for the People.

The majority of Michiganders recognize the effectiveness of the stay at home measures that the Governor has implemented. She has led with confidence, science, and grace under fire. This is not the time to be playing politics roulette with people’s lives.

Money can be earned again. Businesses can be started up. Lives cannot be replaced. And no one is in a position to say that any one person’s life is more important than anyone else’s. Our Governor said, everyone’s life is important, by her implementation of these measures. She took responsibility for all of us.

Shirkey and Chatfield need to stop grinding their particular ideological axes amid a pandemic where Michigan has the third highest infection rate. Why don’t they try to contribute to the effort to help instead of trying to constantly dismantle someone else’s expert-advised measures?

Be part of the solution. That’s what you were elected to do.

Kudos, Gretchen!
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 2:04pm

You are so right. Just want to point out that Michigan has moved down to sixth in the country for total cases because of Whitmer's excellent work. Still third in deaths, but the rate has decreased dramatically.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

jimbo Buttface
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 2:55pm

Thank you. The people of Michigan know how to wash their hands. They know how to wipe down gas pumps.

The Gov Gretchen mandates and decrees:
Landscapers are to STUPID to know how to wash hands wipe gas pumps and maintain social distancing. The same is true for those in construction, home repair, housing and retail sales. This is the same for farmers, green house owners, and every other small business owners.

HOWEVER IN THE INNER CITIES WHICH HAVE 70% OF THE VIRUS CASES
You can buy lotto tickets, Liquor, beer, wine, and weed. (they are the highest taxed items in Michigan) they also keep the public in an altered state of consciousness. That's why you can't drive after using alcohol or weed.
You can take a public bus (impossible to stay 6 ft from others)to the liquor store to buy beer grab the stainless steel door handle on the cooler(holds corona virus for 9 days) grab your beer walk to the counter. Hand the cashier cash (holds the corona virus for 4 days) and receive you change (holds the corona virus for 4 days). Then get back on the bus to get home. The same is true for weed a cash only business.

The Governor keeps saying she is following the science.
What science shows that getting on a bus is safer than a boat in the middle of a lake.
That buying weed, beer, liquor and lotto tickets is safer than buying seeds, plants, and paint.
The science is clear.
Most of the virus is in the city of Detroit. Shut down all lotto sales, all liquor, beer, wine and weed shops. This will drastically reduce people leaving their home in the city that has the most cases and deaths. This will save lives. Let the rest of the state stay open.

Want2no
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:18pm

Most of the virus in not in the City of Detroit. The totals for Oakland and Macomb Counties exceed those of Detroit, for both number of confirmed cases and number of deaths. Facts do matter.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 2:06pm

jimbo Buttface, I agree with your name.

VP Whitmer 2020
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 2:17pm

You bring up a lot of good points, are you prepared to pay higher taxes to fund our state, otherwise it seems like you have a strange fetish for a combo of anarchy and pandemic. We need money to run the government and pay for healthcare costs, along with your freebies. Not sure where you live, but the streets are pretty deserted in the D and most people are partaking in their vices with online sales. So save us your puritanical tyranny. That's what really scares people. You should be scared of the preachers like Dr Charles Stanley and others who scare their congregations with fire and brimstone to attend church in person and fill the collection plate, disregarding the will of God who sent the plague to the dimwits who don't use common sense. Smart people will continue to stay home until they feel safe to go out. So you can't just magically open the economy and expect everyone to shop. Stop forcing our kids to go to school until this is under control.

Ed Flayer
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 4:31pm

The moment that both Senate Leader Shirkey and Speaker of the House Chatfield show the citizens of Michigan their degrees in the study of epidemiology, then their opinion on what and when the State can begin reopening Will become relevant. Until that time, allow the Governor and her experts to determine what is the best for the State.

Bob Butkiss
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:02pm

Why is it that progressives think that the only people who are allowed to comment on anything are experts? So a bunch of doctors want to shut down everything and everyone else is supposed to bow down to them? They have opinions, shaped by their degrees and experiences, and if I need advice on what kind of medicine to take I'll ask them. But their opinion is just another opinion, and no more important than everyone else's. You progressives in your ivory towers and fancy degrees think that you are so smart- but just because you paid for a fancy degree doesn't mean you're smarter than the citizens of the United States of America.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:01pm

You say that until you need an expert. Why is Trump relying on experts?

bignorth1
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 4:45pm

Lee Chatfield is whiny sniveling little wimp! He can't stand the fact that Gov Whitmer is doing a wonderful job of leadership while he picks his shorts like 3rd grader. All you Reps who are pushing to re-open need your heads examined! This virus will save our state if you open the eating and high n number gathering spots.. You people are nuts and need to be recalled!

10x25mm
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 6:49pm

The proponents of Governor Whitmer's lockdown would enjoy more credibility if Michigan had not suffered 2,376 fatalities since XO 2020-21 took effect on 24 March. We have the third highest COVID-19 death toll in the nation despite being tenth in the nation for population.

It is difficult to sell failure politically. Those seven more populous states with lower death tolls rebut any argument that Michigan's situation would be worse without the lockdown. Look at Florida and Texas in particular.

Common Sense
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:38pm

It doesn't matter... Look at the death numbers over the same span of time for the flu season of a few years ago... It was worse, and many children died... This is not a pandemic... It's a mental illness of bureaucrats and people who can't think for themselves anymore...

Bless your heart*
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:09pm

Sorry to hear about your mental illness. We'll pray for you.
See the last interpretation.

"Bless your heart" is a phrase that is common in the Southern United States. The phrase has multiple meanings. It can be used as a sincere expression of sympathy or genuine concern. *It can be used as a precursor to an insult to soften the blow.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:05pm

What's your point? We had direct flights to Wuhan. Florida has 9PM local curfews. So much for screaming about tyranny. Watch the trends. In Republican West Michigan the infection rate is rising while it's falling in most of the rest of the state.

John Nada
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 7:40pm

The fact that either one of these feckless knobs are allowed to have any kind of real power, let alone the ability to make decisions that impact the lives of millions, speaks volumes.
The only constituents they truly care about are the corporate business interests they serve. They only frame their "arguments" in the context of concern for the lively hood of average people and getting everyone back to work. Instead of finding solutions that actually protect and empower workers and address the situation, realistically. The only solution they offer is further risking lives and even greater economic ruin, all in the name of trying to shore up plummeting short term profits.
While I feel it's absolutely necessary that people should always challenge, question, and be suspicious of those in power, especially during a time of crisis (remember the Iraq war, anyone?), the idea that a milquetoast corporate Democrat like Whitmer is some sort of out of control power hungry despot, simply because she's taking steps to limit people's movement and contact during a pandemic, is as pathetic as it is absurd.
Credit where credit is due and all, I don't doubt for a second Whitmer, like all politicians, has her not so honorable aspirations that this crisis may assist her in achieving. But it's serious creeps like Chatfield and Shirkey you should be far more concerned about right now. They'd happily put you and yours at risk, which includes risking death, just to the get the money flowing for them and their rich friends again.
Also, on that note, a quick trip the Jackson Chamber of Commerce website shows they've suspended all events until May 30th. Food for thought.

ALFRED MANFRONI
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:11pm

2200 people have died.....Alone! since we started this. Your irresponsible politicing may cost the lives of how many more? By not doing everything you can to save lives you trampel on the graves of every first responder, doctor, nurse and essentail worker who has died trying to save lives!!! Get the hell over yourselves! We voters will make sure we remind people who it was that was ok with putting lives at risk!!!

William rimel
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:49pm

Good when the dieing starts we no who to blame not her

Love Whitmer
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 1:07pm

But that's exactly what the GOP craves, a reason to blame Gov Whitmer for deaths. They don't care about the deaths or the economy. Those corporate welfare queens got hundreds of millions of dollars in stimulus money. Now they just want to sow discord among the poor, working and middle classes. It's a distraction like pickpockets employ.

William rimel
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 8:52pm

Hey real american don't forget to cover your face and wash your hands clown

John S.
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 11:57pm

According to prospect theory, people have a set point (the status quo) that they do not want to fall below. They often are willing to take risks to get back to the status quo. Well, patience is required now, because during a pandemic when you take a risk you are putting others at risk. Those others could be vulnerable people and the health care workers. The latter are risking their very lives to help sick people now. Some health care workers have already taken sick and died for their altruism. Unfortunately, we all live among those who cannot think beyond their own immediate self-interest of themselves and family members. Selfish-gene theory if anybody wants a scientific slant on the topic.

Dumb Fuck Liber...
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:12am

This has been about an easy cover story for the 2nd global economic collapse in 12 years, this one far worse than 2008/09 with repercussions that will change the globe for the next hundred years with the biggest and ugliest portions still to come

Reference the data, then reference the actual structure of the virus and compare that to the effects on the body based on the RNA/ACE2, then realize how bad you have been played by your government.

This was never about a virus, how do we know, because it has been in every country around the globe for far longer than any worthless politician will discuss or any of the trillion lazy journalists have reported. In America 99% of all stories start with “so and so is reporting such and such”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/respiratory-outbreak-...

The state of Michigan is a great example, it is weeks away from not being able to run payroll, which is the actual reason schools were shutdown until the fall, same thing as every other “decision” made along this path. No money exists and the government can’t communicate that, so the virus is suddenly the end of mankind if we don’t take these outlandish actions.

Now realize that there have been outbreaks with far more people impacted and dead 16 times during the last 20 years in America, never once did this dumb shit happen as a result

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:43pm

I want what you're drinking. No, not really.

Amanda
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:13am

I don’t believe we should open up any restaurants or any public businesses anytime soon. I do agree with the governor even though I’ve been going crazy at home since being laid off as a server since March 16th/17th. I have two kids under 4 years old and all I care about is my family’s health. So far we are healthy and haven’t been sick with this virus. We have been struggling financially, I was denied unemployment because I started my job two weeks before this virus hit unfortunately, so I haven’t had any income coming in yet but my babies are healthy and I’m blessed for that. I feel as long as the governor feels she needs to do this and keep people home, then that’s what she needs to do. We don’t need more people getting sick, nor dying.

D
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 5:03am

It was only thousands not millions. 95% of this state wants to keep the stay at home orders and stay safe.

Ryan
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 5:30am

This woman is a failure in the deepest sense of the word. She waited 2 weeks after our first confirmed case to shut down, ignored what the rest of the country was already doing and allowed Michigan to quickly become the most infected state not on the coast, put restrictions on hydroxchloroquine to make Trump look bad, then begged for it when our death toll started increasing by hundreds per day, while injecting tyranny and authoritarianism into her order. Our inexperienced bimbo governor cares more about her hair and make up than helping the people of Michigan and its abundantly clear when you compare our state with other surrounding states and see our horrifying death rate and ridiculously low level of testing. The only action she's taken is to complain about Donald Trump and its shameful and

Hear me roar
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:47pm

She's following Trump's guidelines. So now what's your complaint? The part that she's a woman?

LG
Fri, 04/24/2020 - 3:09pm

Hey Hear me roar,
She's following her own guidelines! I am a woman and yes my complaint is that she is playing the "I am woman hear me roar card"! Did she even graduate High School? She obviously failed English! Her grammar is an embarrassment to Michigan! Don't even get me going on her!

Beca
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 8:46am

The massive amount of death will then be on your hands Mr. Shirkey! You lift the restrictions too soon and we will have a massive spike in cases. It will be the end of the Republican party!!!

Ariana
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:23am

I can't believe how political this covid-19 got. Let our governor take care of us. Now It is grossly obvious the horribly stupid decisions people are making. Do what you want when it comes to your own health. But when your dumb decision effects me and my loved ones. That's when you need to be told what to do. I own a small business and haven't had money in over a month. None of the sites work like they are saying and I'm having to put bills and food and shop rent on a credit card. It sucks, but my family's health is more important then a Payday. I know about my American rights. And they are being violated AFTER the pandemic, that's when I will fight for our rights. But until then... Stay safe not only for yourself but for everyone around you.

Susan
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:42am

Thousands protested? Really? As over-covered as I thought these rallies were, I never saw that many people at any of the protests.

I think everyone who goes out to protest - especially IN FRONT OF HOSPITALS WHERE LIVES ARE BEING SAVED - should be made to sign this card and carry it with them:

COVID-19 LOCKDOWN PROTESTER
To demonstrate my commitment to my freedoms and to compensate for the extra burden I am putting on the US medical system, I HEARBY DECLINE MEDICATE TREATMENT FOR COVID-19 RELATED MEDICAL CONDITIONS. (This is also my DNR authorization)
Sign it, date it, have witnesses.

Same goes for the Republicans who want to lift the restrictions before we can test people so we know what the reality is about who has been infected.

Wilma Wallis
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:53am

For the sake of the people of Michigan, let the statewide restrictions stay in place until statewide testing is in place & completed. We need to live in Michigan not die of Covid-19.

Terri B
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:17am

Facts: COVID-19 is not disappearing until there is a vaccine. The barter system of trading chickens for bread is not feasible. Therefore, a slow roll out, even sector by sector, with proper precautionary requirements (masks for all), is necessary.

Lee
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:04pm

Quit all this lying about the numbers and get people back to work and living. Enough is enough.

Eye Roll
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 3:50pm

Lee, Lee Chatfield, I presume. You can't enough is enough your way out of a pandemic.

Marshall
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:16pm

Gov Whitmer was entrusted with great emergency power and she has abused it. Arbitrary bans on many safe activities inflict needless pain. At the same time, she sells $7 million in lotttery tickets daily. With this she directly creates enough person to person interactions to dwarf the risks from boating and landscaping combined. Not content to simply fleece money from her constituents, now she's actually killing them.

Anonymous
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 4:04pm

So you'd like more restrictions. Noted.

Richard Caron
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 1:30pm

How in the hell do you expect that many test when people cannot get a test unless they meet certain criterias. Makes no sense and our Governor is oblivious to anything happening. then when you add everyone that has died that did not have a virus but they are saying they had it that helps a lot too doesn't it. Our governor is straight-up a complete idiot

Que Sara' Sara'
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 4:07pm

So you think we should just open the economy and whatever happens happens? I think Trump should invoke the full force of the Defense Production Act and supply the country with all the tests needed. Trump will forever be known for his lack of courage to act like a wartime president.

Matt Hess
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 5:19pm

Actually we have the right to travel at anytime it's a golden rule and if yall really want to know we actually dont need driver license or insurance to do so all of the gov laws are based on water travel maritime laws we just let them control us when really we control them government has way too many chiefs and not a lick of common sense combined all they do is find ways to cheat numbers to line their own pockets each one with own personal agenda

To Complainers
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 1:15pm

US Government = We the People

Elections have consequences.

madmatthew56
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:14pm

I invite Shirking Shirkey and Chatty Chatfield to be the first to reopen the restaurants. At close quarters. Without masks. As usual, it's the Republicans doing what they accused the Democrats of doing -- politicizing a deadly pandemic for political gain.

Mort
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 6:48pm

Get the engine running

Sassy
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 1:13pm

Good idea, make sure it still runs. All dressed and nowhere to go. LOL

Ann
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 4:09pm

So we have 1 million out of work bcuz of 2,200
Fatalities? State population is over 10 million and we are under basic house arrest due to 30,000 infections? I’d like to see the data on who is dying and on the recovery rate. We can’t travel from our cabin to OUR home? Verboten to buy paint? The governor does not have the power to suspend our constitutional rights. Her first response to that protest was a political one. Big mistake.

Wrong, Ann
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:47am

It is a basic due-process principle that the state can impose reasonable restrictions on liberty in order to protect the public health, safety, etc., and can prevent persons from doing things that may be harmful to themselves or others. This traces back to the 1905 case of Jacobsen v. Massachusetts, where the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a requirement that people be vaccinated for smallpox. This principle applies to a host of laws, such as substance abuse laws, cyclist laws, and the like.

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2020/04/22/whitmers-sta...

Capable
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 8:32pm

You'd like to see the data on who is dying and on the recovery rate. Would you really risk the lives of others to have the freedom to go to Verboten to buy paint? You can order paint on-line and have it delivered to your home. Sure you can travel from your cabin to your home; police officers are not looking for you. If you want to go ... go.

The protests across the country are political; a response to President Trump's tweet. It is perfectly okay to be someone else's tool, but people should be aware that they're a tool in someone's tool box and own it.

DEE
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 5:19pm

I think she should extend the order for some jobs. I work at a factory and we have two shifts. We used the same tools and work right in each other face. Will workers be tested before we are to report back to work. We should have the choice. For those who want to take the chance let them work. For those who don't feel safe we should not be force to work. Some people have different situations. Some people probably couldn't get unemployment for what ever reason. Maybe there's only one person working in the house. Everyone have different situations. Better to be safe than sorry.

CJ
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 8:48pm

Ahahhahaha take your mask off while you eat so dumb

schoolmarm
Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:17pm

Thank you to the GOP for asking Whitmer to be reasonable, instead of allowing her to try to micro-manage every citizen in Michigan. She is clearly on a power trip, and as the article points out, has imposed the most oppressive, ridiculous restrictions of any state. She is not listening to the people. They can handle some restrictions, they can be safe and responsible. For cripe sake let them mow grass, work on their home projects, plant gardens, and go fishing if they can respect social distancing and follow the mask, hand washing, etc routine. We are not all idiots.

reader a
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 9:47am

you want to stay home then stay home, let the people go out who want to take the risk, her micro management is clearly a ploy to destroy the economy before the It is so obvious, especially when Nancy Pelousi get excited about mail in ballots for a presidential election. This country needs a nice civil war and a good solid line drawn down the middle. People who wanna work and be free on one side, and people who love politicians like our governer on the other.

writer
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:51am

Let the disease infected people be free and tell everyone else to stay home?

John
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 12:20pm

The problem with the Corona virus is it's always been here. It's not a new strain or even a new virus. Doctors have just been diagnosing it as something else. Also, as the tests they're using to "find infected people" are new the accuracy is way off. People with pneumonia, colds, bronchitis and other respiratory ailments are being treated for Covid-19 when that's not what they have. As a result, a lot of people have died who would still be alive if they'd been treated for the correct condition. Kind of like giving heart medication to someone with a headache. Then they wonder why the death rate is so high right now. If people had been allowed to continue their daily existence and come in contact with each other their immune systems would have fought it the way it does other diseases. Socially isolating from other people actually weakens people's immune system so when they do come in contact with a bacteria, virus, etc. it doesn't have the strength to fight it. Herd immunity is actually our best defense against most diseases.

Dawn Miller
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 4:02pm

Michigan needs to go back to work. We need to open up our hospitals for so called elective procedures. The vast majority of Michiganders will follow the procedures needed to do so.

Dawn Miller
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 4:02pm

Michigan needs to go back to work. We need to open up our hospitals for so called elective procedures. The vast majority of Michiganders will follow the procedures needed to do so.

Dawn Miller
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 4:02pm

Michigan needs to go back to work. We need to open up our hospitals for so called elective procedures. The vast majority of Michiganders will follow the procedures needed to do so.

Dawn Miller
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 4:02pm

Michigan needs to go back to work. We need to open up our hospitals for so called elective procedures. The vast majority of Michiganders will follow the procedures needed to do so.

Capable
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 8:22pm

Open up hospitals for elective procedures when there is a very contagious virus. The only persons who'll benefit from that decision are the plaintiff's attorneys.

Seriously
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 7:17pm

I'm a hair stylist , most people won't follow the guidelines. Most don't even wash their hands after using public restrooms. How can we expect these people to care about people around them. I would rather stay home, stay safe to protect my family. I've had parents bring in their kid's that are sick , to sick to go to school with a fever and the flu , for a haircut. Guess what? I ended up getting the flu.! , I missed almost 2 weeks of work because of it. Some people are just selfish and don't care about anyone but themselves. It's not fair to those of us that due care.!

Capable
Wed, 04/22/2020 - 8:19pm

To all those who wish to compare deaths due to COVID19 to death associated with the flu as if COVID is no more devastating on society than the flu season. If this were a true comparison, hospitals would require make-shift morgues, PPP, and run out of beds every season. Governor Whitmer's Order placed a limit on the number of cases. If we were going about our normal routines there would be many more cases. Once Whitmer lifts the ban, the folks who were in Lansing can move about as usual; beauty parlors, nail shops, barber shops, big box stores, etc., however, this may cause attrition for the GOP base electorate.

Costran
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 9:41am

Whitmer needs to stop playing politics and use common sense. Get Michigan back to work. Open business that naturally supports social distancing. Stop violating the constitution with her over reach on rights. I’m glad her executive powers end April 30 and Michigan Congress gets back in action to provide a responsible plan for Michigan.

Belinda
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 11:01am

Michigan must reopen and more than 2200 are suffering due to this closer. We can do the social distancing without hiring our economy. It is really sad to everyone that died and who were sick. We still need to open before we can never recover from the economic damage. Praying for everyone.

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