Michigan deeply divided over race, education, geography and news feeds

“Instead of us working to see how we can lift each other up, we’re putting each other down,” said Ralph Gaines of Detroit. (Bridge photo by Madeline Halpert)

Marlando Wade has seen this movie before. In fact, he was in the movie.

The 46-year-old Flushing resident was featured in a documentary that chronicled the devastating impact of political polarization in Michigan in the months leading up to and following the 2016 presidential election. “It’s like they’re gangs…like we’re the Crips and they’re the Bloods,” a frustrated Wade said in the Bridge and Center for Michigan documentary, “Michigan Divided.” “They don’t realize people are getting hurt in their turf war.”

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Four years later, with Democrats dancing in the streets after Joe Biden was declared the winner and Republicans protesting that the election had been stolen from President Donald Trump, Wade said he worries Americans haven’t budged from the partisan divide – and maybe don’t want to.

“I actually think it’s gotten worse,” said Wade, who is a Democrat. “It feels like it’s just the Reds versus the Blues.”

Michigan flipped from a razor-thin Trump victory in 2016 to a more comfortable win for Biden in 2020. But one thing didn’t change: The state remains deeply divided in ways that go far beyond what oval we fill in on Election Day. Divides can be found in where we live and how long we went to school, in whether we wear masks or believe in climate change, in where we get our information, and whether we believe that news accounts — including in the publication you’re reading now — are “fake news.”

“We’re divided right in half,” said Marty Devries of Kent County. (Bridge photo by Madeline Halpert)

Battling bubbles

Nine dependably Democratic Michigan counties became more blue in their vote totals this year. Meanwhile, GOP counties tilted increasingly toward Trump. In 56 of 72 counties that went to the GOP this year, Trump increased his 2016 vote percentage.

One divide can literally be measured in miles. Among Michigan’s 45 northernmost counties (everything north of Saginaw), just two voted for Biden. Trump won these northern counties with an average of 60 percent of the vote; meanwhile, to the south, Trump got 5 percent of the vote in Detroit.

Beyond degrees of latitude, the divide can be measured by degrees of education. The six counties with the highest percentage of adults with a bachelor’s degree or higher all voted for Biden; by contrast Trump won majorities in the 46 counties with the lowest percent of college grads.

Washtenaw County has the highest rate of college grads (55 percent), and the highest vote for Biden (72 percent). 

Oscoda County has the lowest college grad rate (10.7 percent), and one of the lowest votes for Biden (27.5 percent).

Exit polls conducted among Michigan voters also found a yawning racial gap, with Biden winning Black voters by an 80-point margin, and white voters favoring Trump by a 12-point margin. 

Black voters have traditionally voted heavily for Democrats, but this year the Black-white vote gap may have been exacerbated by a summer of racial tension following the high-profile deaths of African Americans at the hands of police officers  — most notably, after the police killing of George Floyd in May.  

Indeed, a national survey of more than 100,000 voters for the Associated Press found that the protests played a role in how roughly 9 in 10 people voted, for often starkly different reasons

Racial undercurrents also were hard to ignore last week, when mostly white Republican protesters banged on the windows and actively challenged the integrity of mostly Black poll workers at Detroit’s TCF Center.

Other wide gaps in Michigan voting groups, according to exit polls: 

  • Those earning less than $100,000 a year supported Biden by a 9-point margin;  wealthier Michiganders voted for Trump by an 11-point margin. 
  • Urban residents voted for Biden by a 25-point gap; rural residents for Trump by 5 points. 
  • 70 percent of self-identified evangelical Christians voted for the Republican president, compared to just 37 percent of non-evangelicals. 

As a swing state, Michigan elections often are close. What’s changed, said Michigan pollster Richard Czuba, founder of Lansing-based Glengariff Group, is a growing distrust of those with different political views.

“Politics has become much more important to more people,” Czuba said. “That in itself is not a bad thing. But where we start to have problems is where it affects every one of our policy decisions.”

For example, “There’s a lot of agreement Michiganders have on big policy issues – everyone wants the Great Lakes to be clean, they want their children to get a good education,” Czuba said. “But the problem is we are not figuring out how to agree any more. We are in this environment where it’s my bubble and your bubble, and if you talk to the other bubble, you’re bad.

“That’s not the way it used to be,” Czuba said.

Those bubbles were apparent Friday in Detroit, at protests and counterprotests over the vote count at the TCF Center.

Ralph Gaines, 29, of Detroit — an independent who voted for Biden and was among the counterprotesters at a Trump rally — said a combination of COVID-19, monthslong protests over police violence and a tumultuous election season has further divided Michigan. 

"I think this election should bring us together,” Gaines said. “Instead of us working to see how we can lift each other up, we’re putting each other down, he said. "And we’re Michiganders. We’re supposed to stick together.” 

To Gaines, the culprit is clear. "We’re bringing each other down,” he said. “That’s what Trump wants.”

Marty Devries blames Democrats for the divide. 

“We’re divided right in half,” said the Kent County woman, who attended the Detroit protest in support of Trump. “The Democrats have attacked President Trump from the day he took office. They have used every possible means to make him look awful to try to steal the presidency.

“We are peaceful people, but we are not going to let people walk all over us anymore,” Devries said.

“We need a reset, we need to take a step back and make sure that our Republic is working how it’s supposed to,” said Tammy Nottingham of Howell. (Bridge photo by Madeline Halpert)

Cable news drives divisions

The partisan divide is evident in more than who we vote for. One example: how safe Michigan residents believe classrooms are during the pandemic depends on political leanings. In an August poll conducted by Epic-MRA for Bridge Michigan, Republicans were more than four times as likely to believe schools would be safe during the pandemic than Democrats (67 percent to 15 percent). 

A recent poll of battleground states, including Michigan, found that 90 percent of voters who favored Biden were worried about climate change, compared to just 23 percent of voters who backed President Trump.

News sources vary by political leaning. 

A Pew Research Center survey of more than 12,000 people nationally found that Democrats are much more likely to trust most mainstream news sources than Republicans. One example of the divide: CNN was trusted by 70 percent  of self-described liberal Democrats, but only 16 percent of conservative Republicans – a gap of 54 percentage points. Conversely, Fox News was trusted by 75 percent of conservative Republicans but only 12 percent of liberal Democrats – a 63-point gap.

Those gaps have grown in recent years, a fact that worries Michigan pollster Czuba.

“We regularly ask (poll respondents and focus group participants) where they get your primary news,” Czuba said. “We find those who get their primary news from cable channels like Fox, MSNBC and CNN are the ones that drive to their [partisan] corners the most. Those who get their news from the major networks (NBC, CBS, ABC) or local newspapers, they are much more open to hearing other positions.

“There was a day when you had four networks and a newspaper and everyone had to hear other views,” Czuba said. “If you’re listening to one of those cable networks, you’re not hearing other views.”

The result: Many Republicans and Democrats can’t find common ground because they don’t have a common base of facts,” Czuba said.

Tammy Nottingham, 56, of Howell, one of the attendees at Friday’s Detroit rally in support of Trump, agreed that some media outlets show people only one side of the story.

“I think that it’s cyclical,” Nottingham said. “We need a reset, we need to take a step back and make sure that our Republic is working how it’s supposed to.” 

Lisa King, a Democrat from East Lansing who participated in the Michigan Divided documentary, said she learned four years ago that she was living in a liberal bubble of news, social media and friends. King said she’s worked hard to expand her network of social contacts to include those with conservative views.

“Through all of this, I have not unfriended one person on Facebook,” she said. “I have friends from where I grew up in rural Michigan, and people I’ve met along the way, who are conservative. I wanted to see what they were saying and posting.”

Still, those contacts haven’t dulled King’s partisan feelings. She described Trump as a “horrible person” and wonders how leading Republicans “can sleep at night with all that hatred.”

Shortly after the 2016 presidential election, King and her husband had a choice of school districts for their young son, who was preparing to start kindergarten.

They chose the district they believed had a larger percentage of residents who were Democrats.

“The divisions are probably the same now” as in 2016,” King said. “It’s just now, they’re more out in the open.”

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What?
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 3:39am

"Michigan flipped from a razor-thin Trump victory in 2016 to a narrow, but more comfortable win for Biden in 2020."

Somebody has a math problem.
In 2016 Trump won Michigan by about 11,000 votes.
In 2020 Biden won Michigan by about 146,000 votes.
If that was money in your paycheck, would it seem like a "narrow, but more comfortable" difference to you?

Not to mention both Clinton and Biden creamed Trump in the popular vote across the country by millions.

GREEN NEW DEAL!
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 3:47am

Joe Biden is like Dan Kildee democrats that know working people and what they need: jobs with decent pay. Trump made promises to working people, but didn't deliver. The democrats have been ignoring working people. So Trump convinced them to take a chance on him. If democrats did anything Trump tried to do, the GOP would have kicked and screamed trying to stop them. Now is the time for democrats to prove their creds with working people. That can be done by rebuilding re-imagining our infrastructure and creating millions of good-paying jobs.

Wow!
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 8:00am

Marty Devries blames Democrats for the divide.

“We’re divided right in half,” said the Kent County woman, who attended the Detroit protest in support of Trump. “The Democrats have attacked President Trump from the day he took office. They have used every possible means to make him look awful to try to steal the presidency."

Mary, Democrats have made Trump look awful?

duane
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 8:59pm

WOW,
Memories seem short, maybe we should consider it part of a dementia test, how was Trump and his supporters treated 4 years ago? Was there a US Senator that cordially congratulated him on his victory or did the Democrats start planning impeachment the day after election day? What was it the Democrats were calling those that weren't voting for Hillary, does 'deplorables' and the description about guns, bible, lack of education, etc., seem familiar [wasn't that from our glorious President at the time]?
Dividing start long before 2016, I even recall women's claims about sexual inappropriateness by a sitting President was being called lies and a 'conservative' conspiracy by his wife, even after his tracks were found on a certain blue dress?
The media has worked it hardest at making our President look bad by using the Democrats lies and distortions. We can start before Trump was even elected with Hillary and the DNCs paying for a 'dossier' that was created by the Russians for the sole purpose of denigrated Trump's reputation and honor, then the document was use in Congress to justify a 3 year long investigation and used to justify the impeachment of a President [remember the last one to be impeach lied under oath as President and lost his law license as President].
This doesn't even include all of the misquotes, fabricated quotes, all of the out of context quotes, then we move into lies and distortions of actions, Nadler and Schiff publicly lied continuously about Trump [even when they had been told in closed hearings that what they were saying was lies]. I know none of this matters to you because you can only hear what you want to hear. But for you to so openly disparage another person because they don't say or do what you want, you are simply proving that the 'Democrats/Liberals/Progressives' are self serving and have no respect for others.
4 years ago we began hearing from the Democrats for impeachment, now the worst we hear from the Republicans is count all the ballots, that tells us more about who is driving the divide and who is following the rule of law.
If there is any doubt about who is fomenting the divide, ask yourself why the violence [trying to mask itself as protests] in cities across the country has disappeared once Biden/Harris declared victory?

Thomas
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 1:44am

Very well stated.

Trusted
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 8:13am

"Fox News was trusted by 75 percent of conservative Republicans," unless of course Fox News declares Biden the president and Trump the loser.

LMAO
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 8:17am

Fair and balanced: Trump lies 40 times in one day. "But the lamestream media didn't report about the 9 hours that day that he didn't lie!"

Hail to the Chief!
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 9:07am

All that really matters is that our new President Elect Biden is already comporting himself as president, a mature leader of our country. It's very refreshing. Also I'm enjoying the apparent silence from Trump. Guess I'm not used to not having a controversy every two minutes. It's so calming now, even getting a bit more sleep at night. Can't wait for January 20. They are calling the Trump presidency the lost four years of America.

CM
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 9:21am

Media is currently the single largest factor in driving public views and most is one sided. Sadly nearly all of the reporters are no longer journalist, but op-ed writers for the liberal views. Do we ever get an article that gives both sides of an issue without some sort of opinion added? Opinions are given by sports reporters and yes our three major football teams are below average, but do we really need the opinion of a reporter how to fix?

Enlighten us
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:26am

So where do you get your news, Trump TV, Russia Today, Q-Anon? Do you believe in pizzagate?

zooman
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 9:24am

Our president repeatedly says that doctors are profiting hugely from COVID, and there is no outrage. Tens of millions no doubt believe this, just as they believe facts are fake news, climate change is a hoax, and COVID will just disappear.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
Hannah Arendt

Facts are facts
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:29am

People can't help but believe the rising lakes, great and inland, rivers, breaking dams etc. People will believe when they see the morgues overflowing again. People will believe when their loved ones are disposed of like the weekly trash because the system is overwhelmed all while Trump plays the fiddle, I mean golf.

Janet Polasky
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 9:25am

You still don't understand the hatred and demonizing that the Democrats heaped, not only on the Republican politicians, but on each and every Republican voter in this nation. The ridicule, the mental, verbal, and physical violence they perpetrated toward them. Many were afraid to acknowledge their party for fear of retribution: even the children. Four + years of it. The division goes far beyond the actual "politics" of the parties, although admittedly, it does play a big role. And it even continues at this time.... just look at the liberal media stories and monologues, post election. They are still castigating the Republicans, and the statement of not knowing about how they sleep at night? Well how does anyone sleep at night knowing they voted for a President who clearly in mental decline, who is (fact) corrupt, for a party that cares nothing about it's people, only the win... and have no morals or ethics in their gaining that win? How do they sleep at night? And yet, somehow, you think you know what has caused the division. That's a joke really.

George
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:25am

Janet:
Calm down. You can still have Trump be a role model for your children and grandchildren. What more could you want?

Bones
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:32am

Take it from an actual socialist who loathes Joe Biden and expects nothing of this coming presidency- everything you wrote below

>"Well how does anyone sleep at night knowing they voted for a President who clearly in mental decline, who is (fact) corrupt, for a party that cares nothing about it's people, only the win... and have no morals or ethics in their gaining that win?"

applies acutely to both Trump and Biden. Consider reflecting upon why you can only see half of that reality?

Anonymous
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:35am

"Well how does anyone sleep at night knowing they voted for a President who clearly in mental decline, who is (fact) corrupt, for a party that cares nothing about it's people, only the win... and have no morals or ethics in their gaining that win? How do they sleep at night?"

You poor Karen, you don't seem to realize you are projecting. Every thinking person sees your comment and thinks of Trump!

The ridicule was and is deserved, merited. If anything, it's tempered and kind. I say that as a former Republican. Sadly I have people like you in my family. So no one looks forward to Thanksgiving, so glad we can use Covid as an excuse to distance from each other.

Robyn A Tonkin
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 11:29am

I think profit taking and making didn't make political divides as sharp, and moreover, didn't make politics more important in peoples' lives, but profits follow the political divide. The profit motif exacerbates the political divide, as lots of profitable endevours are profoundly helped by it. It seems to me Janet, that a "story" or "monologue" is nothing more than one person's opinion. In the case of an online "news" source, the story is written by someone getting paid for what they write, so they write what they know they can sell. People may discuss the information disclosed on a "news piece" on social media, but that discussion began with someone writing a piece in order to get paid for doing so. It seems to me that making money underlies everything in our society now--very particularly and especially politics. I am the socialistic factory girl from Detroit that I was raised to be. I was raised that my class was locked in an eternal adversarial relationship with those who own the factories and control production. I still see the world that way, and I still see those who attempt to control me, and my thoughts and actions, and my disposable income, in an adversarial light. Here's an example that I see. I have, as a hobby, firearms use and ownership. My hobby centers on only two things: range safety, and marksmanship. I do not, and will not, discuss my hobby beyond those two things, or ascribe political attributes to it. But what have I seen happen to firearms ownership? Firearms manufacturers, firearms lobby groups, and firearms sellers, have seized the day in order to increase sales, so now a bizarre "firearms culture" permeates conservative thought. We subscribe to 10 firearms print magazines. The mainstream magazines feature ad after ad in each issue, that showcase men in camoflage with scoped rifles who look like they are heading into battle. They also feature ads showing women in fancy dress walking in rundown sections of the city, or a concerned looking man changing a flat tire in a dilapidated cityscape as night falls. This advertising is geared to scare the reader into thinking he/she has a reason to purchase another rifle or "carry piece". My husband receives messages from firearms sellers on the internet, and now such messages proclaim, in the midst of pulsing graphics and lurid type "Get it now before Biden takes the guns away." It used to be "Get it now before Obama takes the guns away." I ask you--did he take all the guns? Were we told to stack them in the town square, on pain of death? No. But those lurid emails are geared to make potential purchasers think "I have to get it now and hide it". I live in a poor part of the world and the firearms stocks in my local gun stores is daunting. These shops are bursting at the seams with firearms, granted, often inexpensive composite rifles, plus ammo, plus cases, plus, plus, plus. The North American continent must literally be sinking under the weight of the guns and all their attendant accoutrements. The demand would not be there without advertising, and the millions of youtube videos where guys (only very rarely, gals) push an obscure piece of gun information or "gun lore" and then ask the viewer to "like" and most importantly, "subscribe". Because what that person is looking for is to develop enough internet clout to attract advertisers.
I'm not on social media, at all, and neither is my husband. We eschew anything that is trying to take our money needlessly-- dining in restaurants, going to bars, recreating on cruise liners, having other people wash our dog, our car, our carpet, our hair, having other people fix our house or our car. I don't see a political divide, because I do see that politics have turned into a phoney, boring hobby. All I see is people, whether leftie or right wing, it makes no difference, who are distracted by "fake" problems and letting other people unduly influence them as a way of making their living. We should analyze who has a vested interest in keeping us so divided.

duane
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 10:27am

Robyn,
You simply don't understand what a profit and what it does. A profit is the difference between yesterday's cost of operations and today's revenues from those operation. Profits pay the bills for yesterday's operation and for the work to improve [product/services, maintenance, hiring, research, and such] tomorrow's operations.
Any organization that we want to stay in operation and deliver the goods and services we use need to be able demonstrate the ability to pay for what they consume/request today. While government organizations can simply demand payment from the public no matter whether they provide the needed product/service [see Flint, Detroit, Michigan, etc.] and private organization must demonstrate the probability pay in the future, and that they do with their history of the public buying their product/services at a price the yields a profit that will pay for future organizational needs.
There are two values a profit yields, it is a measure of the public confidence in a business [profit/services/reputation] and it measures the risk of failure to probability of success/sustainability.
The value to the community profit is a means for the public/each person to express their opinion of the business [product/services] everyday in the marketplace. And their expression is not some third party interpreting what the public opinion is, it is a hard vote cast by each person's money. The profits in effect tell current and potential providers whether they are fulfilling the public wants/needs or there is opportunity for someone else to enter the market with better product or service. And this is some all can see everyday.
Since money is the life blood of any organization, profits is the lifeblood of every privately held company, and it is the means for holding those companies accountable. That is how capitalism provides for an ever improving abundance of our society.
Any organization that does not have such accountability is assured of ultimately disappointing in there delivery in products/services. Without accountability [such as profits] organization are no longer fiscally responsible and the emphasis turns to individuals and how they can assure their longevity, not how they can be ever improving what they do. Look to Detroit, it is still failing and demanding more money from the public everyday. All we hear about the schools are how they are failing and must be given more public money everyday.
Your choice is the government path of avoiding government fiscal accountability [socialism] in place of a profit system of fiscal accountability that is intrinsic to the capitalist system.

Arjay
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:04am

The divide started in 2008 or perhaps even earlier. It is not who is the president, or Senator, or Representative, it is what ideas they bring to the office. One side does not want America to be taken advantage of, and the other side believes the line of one world order. One side believes America should support its citizens first and the other side attempts to erase the border. One side believes very strongly in the U.S. Constitution, and the other side, well, you get the idea.

When Hillary lost in 2016, the first words out of her mouth were that "we must resist". Maxine Watters said never let up, embarrass them when ever or where ever you see them. I don't know many people who want to be used as a door mat.

The Democratic party is not today what it was in the days of JFK or even Bill Clinton. Today JFK would be classified as a Republican. And the likes of AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and the rest of the now 5 member squad would never have been voted into office. Even Elizabeth Warren who is a fairly intelligent woman sounds crazy at times.

Both sides need to bring their ideas back to the center if they want peace. But apparently it won't happen as the Speaker of the House is already trying to tweak the 25th Amendment to allow the Legislature to call for ousting a president. If someone who misclassified as far to the left of Senator Sanders becomes President, Heaven help us all.

Dear Lord!
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:21am

"70 percent of self-identified evangelical Christians voted for the Republican president"

Twice divorced, soon to be thrive, Trump says he grabs females by the hoo ha and divorced Junior is dating a divorced lap dancer who dances for the GOP savior?

Trump advisor Kimberly Guilfoyle reportedly offered to give a lap dance to the person who donated the most money at a campaign fundraiser

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-campaign-adviso...

God help us turn the page. Enlighten the GOP who refuse to do your will. We prayed and You answered. Biden WON, fair and square.

Michigander
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 10:50am

Trump has no one to blame but himself for the criticism he receives. His run for the presidency featured childish name-calling “Crooked Hillary,” “Little Marco,” etc., encouraging hatred towards his opponent “Lock her up!” (And that was after he started his career in politics actively spreading lies about Obama’s birthplace.) Politics is dirty, and full of half-truths, but Trump has taken it to a whole new level of childish tantrums and spewing lies and hate on Twitter. “ I WON IF YOU COUNT ONLY THE LEGAL BALLOTS!” he yelled this week, which is a complete lie and a slap in the face to all those underpaid public servants toiling away carefully counting thousands of ballots. And he has conned his followers into believing that he, and his approved news outlets, are the Only Source of Truth, so they accept his lies.
Now the whole country knows that he was aware of the dangers of COVID in January and not only did not tell the American people, but actively discouraged the medical community from telling the truth. And people died by the thousands—Hundreds of thousands, some of whom might still be alive today if the US President had told them the truth about how to protect themselves, instead of lying and refusing to wear a mask— because it makes him look bad! It hurts his vanity!
How dare he complain about being criticized. But that is the behavior of a typical bully; they can dish it out but they can’t take it.

Todd
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 2:25pm

Obama started the divide that brought us Trump. When Obama began ridiculing our police officers and supporting those who try to murder them, it was the beginning of me being repulsed by democrats. Now I will never let them in the house. I won't even help anyone without making sure that they are not a lefty. I don't care what the circumstance is. If you are a lefty democrat, you are not human to me.

MW
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 7:07pm

Trump was on Fox news questioning Obama's birth certificate during the 2008 campaign, before he was president.

Paul Jordan
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 3:12pm

The division in our people is real, and a threat to our nation. To a greater or lesser degree, such a division has existed from before we were a nation.
A couple of weeks ago, I responded to a statement that, "We're losing our country" by framing it just in racial terms. I suspect, though, that this widespread sentiment is more widespread and more complicated than that.
I would like to know a lot more about what is behind statements like that. Right now, both sides act as if we're in a situation where one side's gain is the other side's loss. Trump exploited a lot of folks sense that they are losing some things that they've valued. The simple slogan, "Make America Great Again" has been a rallying cry for those who have a sense of some real or threatened loss. What are those things? If we knew more about what lies behind such fears, would we find some commonality that would help us move forward together?

Jennifer
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 3:39pm

The divide is defintely getting worse. You can't even have a calm discussion about issues any more.
On another note, as a Biden voter who believes in racial equality, when are you going to start capitalizing the "w" in white, like you do the "b" in black when referring to race? Aren't we trying to move to equality?

Wondering
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 4:27pm

Do evangelicals admit, in their hearts, that Trump is a habitual liar like no other?

DS
Tue, 11/10/2020 - 8:48pm

"most notably, after the police killing of George Floyd in May. " That quote show how biased this article is. There has not been a trial yet so cause of death has not been determined. Stick to the facts and stop making thing up.

MW
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 7:01pm

A cop kneeled on a handcuffed man's neck until he stopped breathing so yes, George Floyd was killed by police. Thinking it's anything else shows your bias.

middle of the mit
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 1:50am

Marty Devries blames Democrats for the divide.

“We’re divided right in half,” said the Kent County woman, who attended the Detroit protest in support of Trump. “The Democrats have attacked President Trump from the day he took office. They have used every possible means to make him look awful to try to steal the presidency.

“We are peaceful people, but we are not going to let people walk all over us anymore,” Devries said.
____________________________

That sounds peaceful. Doesn't it? Was Trump ever forced to show not only the short form, but also the long form of his birth certificate? And wasn't our current President one of the most ardent voices in getting him to do so? Was this President ever accused of being the father of ISIS? Another Trumpism.

Cable news..........boogyman. Both Evil networks have more conservative hosts or guest commentators than anything that Fox has. Tucker Carlson just won a lawsuit by telling a judge his audience doesn't expect him to tell them facts.

https://hillreporter.com/fox-news-argues-that-tucker-carlson-doesnt-have...

Look at what we are seeing with the votes. Is Covid fake? Is it a media and democrat hoax? Is it gone now that the election is over? Or do we now have to wait until after inauguration? How many times does the goal post get to be moved before WE realize and come to terms with WHO is moving the goal post? And why does the media get a liberal bias for going along with it? I am trying to be nice, so I won't tell you what I really think. It's better than what you gave a pass on the Pres when he was bashing Megyn Kelly! (I would like to call her "this", but that would not be politically correct, so I won't call her "this". Is it OK if I tell everyone that "this" is Bitch? edit it if it isn't. The REAL question? Does everyone know what the President thinks of Megyn Kelly? Didn't he convey that...........without actually being Non Pc?)

The result: Many Republicans and Democrats can’t find common ground because they don’t have a common base of facts,” Czuba said.
___________________________________

I don't want to be partisan. But how can you have a common set of facts when there is a segment of one party that is calling everything that doesn't agree with them and their point of view partisan, fake news? Especially when that link above is taken into context.

Our Republican legislators asked for bi partisan government. Was there any bi partisan government during Snyders' years? Mitch McConnel wanted to make Obama a one term President, then denied him a Constitutional appointment to almost 200 judicial branch judges and one to the Supreme Court. without, even just at least a hearing, for due process sake. for 10 months because it was too close to an election, but crammed one in in less than 45 days, while people were voting.

I am sorry, but the both sides thing HAS to stop!

Breaking!

https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/10/gop-witness-of-voter-fraud-recants/

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/11/10/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-reward-for-...

Is this even legal?

It's time for a hypocrisy check.

I don't think liberals are against hearing conservative ideas. Go to the political wire link. It's a liberal site. See how they bash on Bernie. The problem is that "both sides" cater to money. But only one side of the wealthy is willing to tax themselves, while putting money toward the people.

I can't tell you why that works here, but in short? If employers have a choice between paying taxes or passing out raises or bonuses or investing in their business? And that just pads their bottom line when others have disposable income, instead of hoarding it all to themselves.
Now I feel I have to put a caveat to that. This mostly applies to Big Business, But it could also apply to others, Business is not bad. Bad business is bad.

Phil Collins Another Day In Paradise Lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiUQE5bJKFU

Tuesday's Gone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iExsbDuVqeE

River Of Deceit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPFWKYSq6Wo

Congratulations President Elect Biden! Congratulations V.P. Kamala Harris!

Let us ALL bring civility and compromise so that we can move forward for ALL of U.S.

Cindy Miner
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 12:02pm

It is very sad to read the comments here. So much division, hatred, and distrust. You can blame whichever party, president, race, religion, or news agency that suits your fancy, but the actual fault lies with you, the people who spew hatred and accusations at your fellow Americans. It is you and I, and I hold myself guilty as well, who will bring about the downfall of our country. Look at your words and take full responsibility for causing more division and hatred instead of bringing peace and unity, and solutions to the problems that face us.

duane
Sun, 11/15/2020 - 11:14am

No, blame is not the issue nor the means to a solution. It is the means of access, we have had divides since before Columbus made his [in]famous voyage.
People were separating themselves into tribes and of those tribes had divides from other tribes that were punctuated with violence.
If you want to narrow the divide between those who truly want the divide eliminated we need to start with a structured conversation about why there is a divide and how we build 'bridges' across the divide. You do realize that many of those who are most outspoken complaining about the divide and finding blame for the divide are the ones benefiting from there being a divide.
The first step is to clarify what the divide is, being as specific as possible so we have one definition we all use and frame the conversation with. Is it ethnic or do you believe it is limited to one or specific groups, is it economic and what is the threshold on each side of the divide, is it demographic such as age, is perspective such as where and when you were raise and how you view your needs today, is it social, is it lifestyle, is it political, or is it all of these put together to make on great divide?
I suspect you believe there is a divide between you and me, I think there is only a different perspective on how we look at life and our community. I suspect, if we sat down over lunch having a conversation about the 'divide' and how we would like to see it narrowed we would become much more aligned then you feel we might be today.