Michigan Dems prep for doomsday scenario: What if Trump loses, won’t concede?

The U.S. Constitution allows state Legislatures to appoint electors to select the president. They follow the popular vote, but some fear that if the vote is undecided by the time the Electoral College meets in December, the GOP-controlled Legislature in Michigan could give the state’s electoral votes to President Donald Trump. (Shutterstock)

LANSING — Democratic attorneys in Michigan are preparing for what they consider a longshot doomsday scenario that could swing a disputed election to President Donald Trump: an Electoral College coup by the Republican-controlled state Legislature.

 

Michigan law sets out a clear process to award electors to the candidate who wins the popular vote on Nov. 3, but that’s not required by the U.S. Constitution, which gives state legislatures the exclusive authority to decide how to appoint electors.

If Trump or allies dispute election results into early December, when the Electoral College convenes to formally select the next president, critics fear he could use claims of voter fraud to pressure lawmakers to change Michigan rules and send the state’s 16 electors his way. 

It’s an “extreme” and unlikely scenario — and one Democratic attorneys like Sam Bagenstos are preparing for, should it come to that..

“Obviously everybody in the [last]  weeks before the election is going to be game planning everything,” said Bagenstos, a University of MIchigan law professor and former Democratic Party nominee for the state Supreme Court. 

“I have a very hard time believing that enough elected legislators are going to thwart the will of the people of this state to send a slate of electors that’s inconsistent with the way people voted. But you got to prepare for it.”

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson has said she’s confident Michigan election results will be fully reported by the Friday after the election, a three-day cushion for clerks to handle what will likely be a record number of absentee ballots.

Michigan election timeline

Nov. 3: Election

Nov. 5: Canvasser boards in all of Michigan’s 83 counties meet to review local election results

Nov. 17: County canvassing boards certify local results and send to the Michigan Secretary of State

Nov. 23: Board of State Canvassers meet to review and certify statewide election results

Nov. 25: Deadline to petition for presidential recount

Dec. 8: Congress “safe harbor” date for states to dedicate electors

Dec. 14: Electoral College votes in state Legislatures

 

The Board of State Canvassers is set to certify results Nov. 23, trigger a 48-hour window for candidates to file recount petitions. 

Trump has stoked fears of a disputed election by repeatedly warning about voter fraud, which is rare. He’s cast doubt on the security of mail-in ballots, suggested the only way Biden will defeat him is if the contest is “rigged” and argued the Senate should quickly confirm his Supreme Court nominee in case justices need to resolve the contest. 

In Michigan on Saturday, the president questioned whether Democratic officials like Attorney General Dana Nessel can be trusted to ensure a fair election. 

“How the hell do I put my political, and our country’s political life in the hands of a pure partisan like that?” Trump said in Muskegon. “You’ve got to watch it. Watch those ballots.”

Two Michigan Republican electors have already sued the state in federal court to overturn a state ruling that would have allowed clerks to count absentee ballots up to 14 days after the election so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3. 

In their Sept. 29 complaint, GOP attorneys stressed that lawmakers have the final say over how Michigan’s electoral college votes are awarded.

“The Legislature of each state, not its executive actors or courts, has the authority to define the ‘manner’ of choosing its electors,” they wrote.

GOP downplays ‘conspiracy theory’

The Atlantic, in a recent article exploring what could happen if Trump loses to Democrat Joe Biden but refuses to concede, cited mostly unnamed Republican Party sources in reporting that the president’s campaign is “discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority.”

Michigan, a battleground state with a GOP-led Legislature that Trump won by 10,704 votes in 2016, would appear a perfect candidate. 

But Republican officials here have downplayed the possibility of pushing the Legislature to bypass a contested popular vote. 

“We’re not exploring that at all,” Michigan Republican Party Chair Laura Cox told reporters last month. 

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, has “not had conversations regarding the possibility of a disputed election,” a spokesperson told Bridge. 

Sen. Ed McBroom, R-Vulcan, said there have been no “formal discussions in the Legislature on any sort of worst-case scenario-type disaster” or changes to the elector selection process.

“It’s almost as ridiculous as a conspiracy theory,” McBroom said. “It’s just like the people who four years ago said Trump’s not going to accept the results of the election, but then it was [Democrat] Hillary [Clinton] and [Green Party candidate] Jill Stein pushing for recounts.”

GOP talks could heat up after the election, especially if results in multiple states are disputed, said Jeff Timmer, a former executive director of the Michigan Republican Party who now works with the Lincoln Project, a group of estranged conservatives opposing Trump’s re-election.

Timmer envisioned a scenario in which Trump leads in early returns from in-person voters, alleges Democrats are “stealing the vote” if absentee ballots swing results to Biden and then latches on to irregularities to stop the count or challenge results. 

If other battleground states decide to change their elector selection process, the Trump campaign could put “enormous pressure” on lawmakers here, Timmer said.

“There’s a possibility where they just say, ‘We don’t know if the popular vote can be trusted any longer, and we’re choosing a slate of electors,’” he said. 

“It might seem hyperbolic, but everything that’s been hyperbolic over the last four years now seems kind of quant.”

Senate Republicans, however, are already on record pledging that “the selection of electors to the Electoral College that will be faithful to voting for the candidate with the most votes for President in Michigan as certified by Michigan election officials.”

That language was inserted into a concurrent resolution last month by state Sen. Jeff Irwin, an Ann Arbor Democrat who successfully amended what was initially a GOP resolution warning about the dangers of counting absentee ballots after Election Day or “harvesting” ballots for bulk delivery.  

The House has not yet taken up the resolution, and a spokesperson for House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, did not respond to a request for comment on this story. 

Irwin told Bridge he has “the highest level of confidence” that election officials will be able to count the votes, certify results and resolve disputes before the Electoral College meets.

His amendment, Irwin said, gave GOP colleagues the chance to “dial down the rhetoric and make a clear statement to the people of Michigan that we work for the people, we’re going to respect the vote of the people, and we’re not going to go along with this nonsense that the president is peddling about contesting the election and not accepting the results if you lose.”

Inside the Electoral College

If presidential elections were decided by the national popular vote, Clinton would be president now after winning 2.8 million more votes than Trump in 2016.

But that’s not how it works.

The U.S. Constitution established an Electoral College, 538 electors who meet every four years for the sole purpose of electing the president and vice president.  Each state gets a certain number of electors, based on population. Most states require those electors to vote for the candidate who wins the state’s popular vote. 

In Michigan, each major political party nominates its own electors, and then one of those slates is appointed to the Electoral College based on the popular vote, as certified by the Secretary of State. Once the Board of State Canvassers confirms results, the governor “shall” send the names of all Michigan electors to the U.S. Secretary of State. 

This year, the process relies on results being finalized by Dec. 8, a “safe harbor” date established by Congress to avoid disputes at the Electoral College, whose members will officially vote in the Michigan Legislature and other state Capitols on Dec. 14. 

John Bursch, who was the state’s solicitor general under Republican former Attorney General Bill Schuette, said he is “not hearing anything about actions taking place here on the ground in Michigan with respect to the Legislature intervening in any Electoral College dispute.”

But “Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution does say the Legislatures get to direct how electors are selected and forwarded to the Congress for determining the president,” Bursch said. “And the U.S. Supreme Court has noted a couple of times that authority is plenary,” or absolute.

The nation’s highest court addressed the issue in an 1892 case out of Michigan, where electors with decidedly 19th-century names like Justus Stearns and Otto Ihling sued over a new state law to divide the state’s electors by congressional district. 

In ruling for Michigan Secretary of State Robert Blacker, justices said the U.S. Constitution gives the Legislature exclusive power to decide state electors.

The court reasserted that authority in 2000, when justices halted a Florida presidential recount, preserving George W. Bush’s 537-vote margin over Democrat Al Gore. Gore won the national popular vote, but the Florida win gave Bush enough electors to win the Electoral College. 

“If it so chooses,” a Legislature can “select the electors itself, which indeed was the manner used by state legislatures in several states for many years after the framing of our constitution,” justices wrote in their Florida opinion

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who could play a pivotal role if an election dispute if it is litigated this year, knows the 1892 Michigan case well: He cited it in a 2015 dissent against a majority ruling that upheld Arizona voters’ decision to transfer redistricting power from the Legislature to a new independent commission. 

“The plain text of the Presidential Electors Clause vests the power to determine the manner of appointment in ‘the Legislature’ of the State,” Roberts wrote. “ That power, the Court explained, ‘can neither be taken away nor abdicated.’”

Disputed electors

There have been disputed presidential elections, most famously in 1876 when a congressional panel awarded delegates from three contested states to Rutherford B. Hayes, handing him the White House. 

In 2000, Florida electors hung in the balance for more than a month during a recount marked by “hanging chads.” 

Had the Supreme Court not ended the dispute, the Florida Legislature was preparing to appoint electors itself instead of waiting for a final vote count. 

But even if this year’s results are not disputed – if there is either a full or “mini wave” that propels either Trump or Biden to a comfortable margin – 2020 already stands alone, said Larry Sabato, founder and director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. 

“I don’t think we’ve ever had a situation where a candidate, much less and incumbent president, has said so many times prior to the election that he would not recognize the results if he lost because in his view that simply can’t happen in a fair election,” Sabato said in a recent virtual forum with the Michigan Political Leadership Program.

“[Trump] has the support of tens of million of people, many of whom, maybe most of whom, will take their views and their cues directly from him,” he said. “And if he says it’s an election that has been stolen, they’re probably inclined to believe it.”

“I’ve probably read 500 nightmarish scenarios about what could possibly happen on Election Day, or election week or election month,” Sabato added. “We’ll just have to wait and see and hope that good sense prevails.”

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, could use her veto power to block any attempt to change current election law, which awards electors to the winner of the popular vote and requires her to send a list to the federal government “as soon as practicable” after the state board of canvassers has certified results. 

But experts say it’s possible lawmakers could try to rewrite the rules via concurrent resolution, which would bypass the governor. That’s what Florida Republicans proposed to do in 2000 before the U.S. Supreme Court halted the state’s recount and preserved Bush’s win. 

While Whitmer and GOP leaders are at odds on a number of issues, that kind of electoral college maneuver “would be a major escalation of the kind of fights that they've had before,” said Bagenstos, an attorney who typically represents Democratic institutions and causes. 

“I’m not saying it couldn’t happen. I’m just saying that would be a very extreme move.”

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Charlie Day
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 12:58pm

With Biden's corruption being proven beyond reasonable doubt by the discoveries on his son's laptop, the only way Biden will win is with fraud. I think a bigger concern on the tyrant's mind should be what The People will do if Trump doesn't win.
Yes, I realize that fascist Bridge will censor this comment due to the #fakenews media blackout on Hunter Biden's laptop contents.

Charlie Day
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 11:02pm

Bridge, you must have missed the management memo, you were supposed to censor that comment :)
Heaven forbid that people find out about Joe and Hunter biden's corruption. The information on this laptop is BAD. I voted for this guy in 2008 and it just makes me shudder. I fell for it. Never again.

mw
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 9:04am

That story has so many holes and red flags even Fox News turned it down, which is why it was "reported" in a tabloid paper.

Why hasn't the NYPost let independent news organizations analyze the content of the hard drive? Why have they only released PDFs of the emails instead of actual email files with header and tracking information to verify the emails are genuine? What involvement did Giuliani have in getting the hard drive and why did the repair tech make a copy of the hard drive to give to Giuliani BEFORE giving it to the FBI? Do you think a legally blind repair man was actually able to positively identify Hunter Biden and if it wasn't Hunter bringing the laptop in, doesn't that call the whole story into question? Why would Hunter Biden take a laptop to a repair shop in Delaware when he lives on the West Coast? What sort of unethical computer repair tech goes through personal files and emails for a water damaged laptop? If the laptop was "abandoned" after 90 days, the standard procedure for literally every repair shop is to wipe the computer clean and sell it.

Also, why are there now reports that the FBI is investigating the contents of the laptop to determine if these emails are part of a foreign government's disinformation campaign?

Anyone who works in IT knows how easy it is to fake the email sender, recipient, and date; that's why no respectable news organization is running this story except to point out this leak has the hallmarks of a foreign government's disinformation campaign.

Bones
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 9:22am

For shame. Using the good name of Charlie Day to say demonstrably stupid nonsense

LMAO
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 11:50am

Are you Perry Mason? Did we miss that court case? Bridge fascist? Um, someone needs a nap.

Paul Jordan
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:39pm

This 'story' about Hunter Biden is pure distraction. There isn't any evidence that the laptop is his, or that he himself brought it into the shop to be repaired, or that all the emails allegedly on it were written by him instead of by Trump's buddies, the Russians. (Does Hunter Biden even live in Delaware anymore and, if he doesn't, why would he take his laptop into a Delaware shop to be fixed?) The far bigger story is that after many years of Trump's China operation not making a profit, once he became president a Chinese company linked to the Chinese government gave his company over $15 million which was then withdrawn from the bank by Donald Trump himself. Now THAT is a scandal worthy of the name!

And even if it were true--and there is no evidence that it is--Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

WOW!!
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 2:31pm

I'm actually VERY shocked that they let this go through. We are witnessing the murder of journalism everywhere.

Jake
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 1:36pm

I think this law that the electoral votes being decided by the popular vote at the state level is exactly what's wrong is larger populations are disproportionately more influential disproportionately represented in the electoral college. What some people seem to not understand about the electoral college that it is a representation of how we vote for house members and senators in the Congress because it's the exact same number of house numbers and senators in Congress. It would seem to me that every district should at a minimum have the right to vote in a popular vote for their electoral delegate to the candidate they want and then the last two electoral votes of each state goes to the popular vote for that state is that's representative of the Senate. I don't see how Flint and Detroit's concerns are the same as northern Michigan or any rural part of Michigan because they're not they have more than enough representatives representing them as that is based on population by the Census. I think the fact that we elect our governors by popular vote is ridiculous within itself as well and that should be done through an electoral college similar that we do for the federal level as it would be a fair representation to the citizens in Michigan. The Democrats are more concerned about actually winning then representing people as you can see from the map of previous elections over the last 19 years they don't give any concern to the rural areas. The Republicans are not any better as they have their own agendas in mind just like the Democrats on how they will represent their constituents rather than action representing their constituents both parties really need to be replaced more than anything.

100% Person
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 11:56am

You seem nostalgic for the days of slavery when most Americans didn't have the right to vote. Only white Anglo-Saxon Protestant property-owning men could vote, no one else. Popular vote is so progressive. Now every US citizen is entitled to vote. Get over it. Stop whining and try to accept that majority rules.

Doug L
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 5:40pm

So called 100% person seems to quick to slander without looking at the idea put forth. I think it is very reasonable to consider a state version of the electoral college. Clearly the concerns of rural Michigan are different than the concerns of the cities. It is reasonable to look into this idea, without throwing out slander about slavery. 100%, don't be a hater!

Jermaine
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 1:47pm

I was looking through this site. I notice a lot of what would seem to be pro or supportive democrat comments. Which may be the people who mostly view this site. But I am out among the public and in people's homes with the kind of work I do. First let me say most of the people who are anti trump make it known immeaditly saying Trump is stupid, dumb a killer or vehemently swear about him before I even get settle in to do my work ??? THEY SCARE ME! but so far they have paid and seem to like the work I did .

And when I notice nothing is being said politically in our general conversation, chit chat, as I do my work, (I do feel it out first not wanting to make someone uncomfortable) I will bring up something that brings the conversation around to the election and I will say first I am voting for trump and about 90% of those customers will relax and say we are too. Not scientific, but supports the unreported electorate that is supporting trump. And most will say the same things about why. And that usually ends up being that what is going on out there is scary and crazy. Meaning the violence, the destruction, the looting, shutting down of businesses and the mishandling of the covid panic which they attribute to Democrats because they seem to be in support of it continuing that way. And people with children I notice are the most fearful about what things will look like as long time institutions are being destroyed and the evasiveness of government now in their lives and home with contact tracing and with the schooling while paying taxes for them to be at school. And almost all of them say they believe that their is a new strain of covid or covid, but do not believe in the panic that ensues it. I think most people with children when you come down to it have and want to keep traditional values .
Also the point spread I heard between Hillary last time and Biden this time at the same time in the race is smaller. So it could be a landslide win for Trump like people are saying. I guess we will see.

BIG BLUE WAVE
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:06pm

Wishful thinking. Last time many women didn't vote because they didn't like Clinton. She didn't even bother to spend time in Michigan. Today most women like myself, suburban moms, can't stand Trump. A lot of our children seem desolate, not because of Covid, but because Trump is making a joke of Covid. We need, want a normal empathetic leader that follows science, not four more years of a Trump clown who is pilfering the US Treasury and alienating our allies, writing love letters to our enemies. Trump stokes violence and hate, pushes people to riot, encourages vigilantes, and scorns our military. Trump despises Christianity and uses it as a tool to do demonic things. So I'm not so sure you're getting the right vibe from your customers. Maybe you only work in your tribe. We'll soon see if you are right. By the way, I have never in my life participated in any protests, until Trump was elected, never felt the need. If people take to the streets during a pandemic, they sure as heck will take the time to send drop off a ballot.

Just sayin'
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:08pm

Jermaine, if you watch FOX News regularly and surround yourself with others who do the same, you might not have a sense for how most people in our country are thinking and feeling.

Get real
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 2:12pm

This is not such a far-fetched scenario, even by his own niece. He hates to lose and "losers". He will never concede no matter what. He concedes nothing on a daily basis.

Jedarc
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 10:51am

He told Savanna Guthrie last week that he would concede.
And why would you believe his niece? All hearsay.
I'm tired of all the haters and story-tellers.

MW
Fri, 10/23/2020 - 9:30am

Trump told Savannah Guthrie that he would only concede if the election was "honest." But never explained what he meant by that. Meanwhile, he's been ratcheting up his attacks on the integrity of the election; citing *without evidence* that ballots cast for him were found in a river in Pennsylvania and that deceased or illegal immigrants have been voting Democrat or that absentee/mail-in ballots are rife with fraud. He's also encouraging his supporters to go watch the polls for fraud which has already led to a number of instances of voter intimidation in places like Tennessee and Texas. Plus he still occasionally brings up voter fraud in the 2016 election even though there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud or "millions of illegals" voting.

The only "honest" election Donald Trump believes in is the election where he wins both the popular vote and the Electoral College. Anything else will be questioned.

I call BS
Fri, 10/23/2020 - 9:55am

Jedarc, much better question: Why would anyone believe Trump about anything? No hearsay with him, all lies all the time, pure and simple.

10x25mm
Wed, 10/21/2020 - 3:47pm

Democrats are now suffering guilty consciences from their support of the NPV initiative?

How is this any different?

Anonymous
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:12pm

Senators should be doled out based on proportionate populations, not two per state. California should have more and Wyoming less.

duane
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:08am

We have already seen how the Democrats have acted since Trump won, even after losing the impeachment vote they are still threatening to impeach him during this campaign. We have never seen anything near as viscous from the Republican's so this sounds article seem to be trying to legitimizes the Democrat fear campaign.

We have heard from Hillary telling Biden not to concede suggesting that the Democrats are going to make the last four years look like child's play if Trump wins. We have already seen Governor Whitmer fount the Michigan Supreme Court ruling on her executive power by first claiming the Court's ruling did take effect immediately and keeping in place her directives, then you she use a law for the health department nearly 200 years old to make her directives remain in effect.
Why aren't we hearing about how we should be preparing for a Harris [25th Amendment]/Biden loss?

Loise
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 9:27am

I think the man in the big house story is the one to watch out for in the bible he held in his hand in front of the church.

Jake K
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 9:57am

Why are such stories even worth discussion?

Jake K
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 9:57am

Why are such stories even worth discussion?

Arjay
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 10:34am

Just a correction. The Constitution does not dictate 538 electors, but does say how that number is determined. The current electors are 435 from the number of the 50 states' representatives, plus 100 from the number of the 50 states' senators, plus 3 from the capital district, Washington, D.C.

And the contra question is what if Joe Biden loses and does not concede, following the directive to him from Hillary Clinton.

And?
Fri, 10/23/2020 - 9:59am

"And the contra question is what if Joe Biden loses and does not concede, following the directive to him from Hillary Clinton."

Good question, Arjay, now please answer it, so we will have a plan for when Trump refuses to leave.

TJH
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 10:53am

The commenters who have responded to this article have convinced me that our constitutional democracy is facing an existential threat.

Jedarc
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 10:55am

"Doomsday scenario"? I so tired of all the hysteria.
Trump told Savannah Guthrie last week that he would concede if he lost.
I'm so tired of all the hate, hearsay, misinformation.
There is a silent majority out there who support our President.
There is a Walkaway from Democrats campaign on FB with numerous testimonials posted every day by former Democrats who are tired of the crap. Trump2020!

In God we trust...
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 12:19pm

Can we trust anything the Republicans say? Does anyone remember their promises to God and the American people when they said the rules for Merrick Garland would be applied to them if their were a Republican president? The Republicans have no scruples. They are absolute hypocrites and it doesn't matter what faith they profess. They lie.

Shirkey, Chatfield are total Trump lapdogs. They will probably install James too another Trump lapdog.

Paul Jordan
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 1:31pm

This potential situation illuminates a reality that contradicts the myths that our high school civics teachers did their best to sell: That the United States is a democracy, "of, by, and for the People".
The United States was, in reality, a compact between states reached through a compromise between those who thought that the new nation should be a republic ruled by a white oligarchy, or a democracy ruled by all landed, free white men.

Since that time, whether they have been Republicans or Democrats progressives have steadily worked to enhance the democratic elements in political life, while oligarchic elements have done their darndest to keep as much power as possible in the hands of the wealthy few.

The struggle continues.

Todd Priest
Thu, 10/22/2020 - 2:30pm

Don't these lunatics have enough worries as it is? Why just manufacture problems? Democrats are just miserable people.

Trump hates America
Fri, 10/23/2020 - 10:16am

Todd, manufactured? Have you hear Trump at any of his rallies? He keeps "joking" about staying in power for "12 years". Likewise he says he "joked" about people ingesting disinfectant. Is Covid-19 a joke? We now have 228,466 deaths in the US, roughly 1,000 deaths a day. Does this register with you? In one week, we are now losing more Americans to Covid-19 than double the lives lost on 9-11, and Trump is completely ASLEEP at the wheel, ONLY concerned about his reelection. Sorry, but most Americans cannot stomach four more years of the Trump lunacy and the TDS of his followers/sycophants.

duane
Mon, 10/26/2020 - 1:40am

I hope you never listen in on people in high stress jobs [soldiers in combat, medical professional in ERs, cleanup crews at fatal accident scenes, etc.] for the humor they use will give you the screaming memes.
Humor is a means to relieve the tension in things that are stressful. The more personalize and frequent tragedies become the more one turns to humor, and to that those unengaged it may seem dark or not humor at all. Consider the combat soldiers, those that escaped 'booby trap' recently and during the night they hear an explosion that would be otherwise unexplained, they may consider it to be the enemy setting such a device for use the next day and what humor that would elicit. Think of those who have to deal with the mayhem inflicted on people everyday, steeling themselves each day and how they would use what they could to relieve their stresses. Humor in many fashions and unrelate to the source of the stress could be an effective relief, such as a pop valve on a hot water heater. As the phrase goes, 'until you have walked a mile in their shoes' hold your judgement.
You may want someone to wave a magic wand to chase this virus away, you may expect the President to have such a magic wand, and I suspect every President at some point has want to have such a magic wand, but they don't and there isn't such a magic wand. All those Presidents including the present one simply have to accept that for all power attributed to them they don't have the power to stop death, to remove all diseases, to end all suffering. The office of the Presidency does not change anyone into God, so they must deal with the frustrations of their limitations as best they can, and if humor [no matter what others think of it] something I am grateful they have it. If Joe Biden is the exception and his plan will save lives I am glad to save lives, and sad that he has kept it secret until being elected to share his plan and it could have saved even a few lives seems so selfish.
President Trump may not be liked by many and may not be re-elected, but to claim any joke he makes or misquote the press attributes to him defines his 'lunacy' or justifies your efforts to demean those who have a different perspective than you is disappointing in the least, shows more about who is dividing the country then what we have seen in the papers of late.

Jim C
Sun, 10/25/2020 - 12:17am

This is a false narrative, pushed by the left to demonize Trump without any anchor in reality. From the left's leaders own mouth we know that the real worry is if/when Trump wins then the left once again riots and burns and loots. This is a legitimate concern based on recent events and the leaders' own words.