What Michigan's new coronavirus stay-at-home executive order means

A Home Depot in Lansing had taped off its paint section and outdoor gardening center by Friday morning in accordance with Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s new stay-at-home order. (Bridge photo by Jonathan Oosting)

April 24 update: Michigan’s new stay-home order allows landscaping, boating and golf

LANSING — Brian Tillery walked into Home Depot on Friday morning and did a double take.

“What — they’re not selling paint?” he exclaimed.

Signs taped to orange buckets lined with yellow caution tape told the story: 

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s latest stay-home order to battle the coronavirus pandemic allows home improvement stores to stay open, but only to sell “products necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and basic operations of residences.”

The new regulations required Home Depot to close its paint section, flooring section and outdoor gardening center by Friday morning.

Tillery, a Lansing resident who already lost his job as a floor layer, has been “trying to make ends meet” during the pandemic by picking up side jobs as a handyman, providing what he said are emergency repairs in a time of crisis. 

Paint was supposed to be one of the last steps in his current project: fixing a home after a tree crashed through the roof, damaging the ceiling and causing water damage. 

Now, he’s not sure he can finish the job, so he planned to snap a photo of the closed paint section to show his client as proof. 

“I just don’t understand,” Tillery said. “You can put up drywall, but you just can’t paint it right now because that’s not essential.”

Bridge Magazine has been flooded by similar questions from readers since Whitmer on Thursday issued a new order that extended and expanded her stay-home mandate through April 30.  Here’s what we know so far: 

No more paint sections, garden centers at big stores

Larger stores with more than 50,000 square feet must limit the number of customers inside at one time, allowing no more than four customers per 1,000 square feet of retail floor space. That means a Meijer with 100,000 square feet of floor space can allow a maximum of 400 customers inside at any one time. 

Whitmer’s order also requires large retailers to close carpet or flooring, furniture, garden and plant nursery sections, either by blocking them, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs or removing goods from shelves. Bottle return sections at grocery stores must also remain closed. 

Starting Monday, large retailers cannot advertise products that are not groceries, medical supplies or items necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and basic operation of residences. 

Smaller retailers with less than 50,000 square feet of customer space must limit the number of people in their store — including employees — to 25 percent of occupancy limits established by state or local fire marshals. 

Don’t go “up north”

Whitmer’s initial stay-home order allowed people to travel between two residences they own in Michigan. The new order does not. Instead, it includes a new prohibition on travel to vacation rentals and temporarily bans anyone from advertising short-term vacation rental properties except for use by health care volunteers or professionals battling COVID-19. 

Even before Whitmer’s revised orders, officials in northern Michigan communities urged downstaters to avoid travel to their lakefront or vacation homes.

“Our medical facilities and resources are limited, and an influx of seasonal residents at this time could cause significant issues in our ability to effectively treat our close-knit communities,” the mayors of Mackinac Island and St. Ignace wrote this week in a joint statement.

You can buy a car, just not in person

Whitmer’s new order relaxes rules for auto dealerships to allow online or remote sales.  Dealerships cannot re-open showrooms, but workers are allowed to leave their homes for work that is “necessary to facilitate remote and electronic sales or leases, or to deliver motor vehicles to customers.” Like her previous version, Whitmer’s order also allows repair and maintenance shops connected to auto dealerships to remain open even though their showrooms must close. 

Yeah, churches are still exempt

While many churches have suspended in-person services, Whitmer’s new order maintains an exemption for places of worship. 

“Consistent with prior guidance, a place of religious worship, when used for religious worship, is not subject to penalty,” the order reads. 

Liquor, lotto tickets still flowing

Whitmer’s order maintains the status quo for liquor stores, which are allowed to remain open so long as they also sell “groceries, medical supplies” or other products like toilet paper needed to maintain the “sanitation” of residences.

And the new order says nothing about in-person lottery sales despite calls to end those transactions by state Rep. Mari Manoogian, D-Birmingham, and the Chaldean Chamber of Commerce.

Whitmer spokeswoman Tiffany Brown said lottery sales are still allowed in Michigan but said people are urged “to take every precaution” and “only purchase lottery tickets if already at a store purchasing food, fuel, or other necessary items.”

Brown said the state is asking retailers to “consider whether their location” for in-store lottery sales “is conducive to appropriate social distancing.” The state will “deactivate the lottery terminal for any retailer upon request,” she added.

Landscaping businesses still closed

Republicans in the Michigan Legislature had asked Whitmer to allow landscaping businesses to re-open, arguing such companies were in a good position to implement social distancing policies among employees that work outside. 

But Whitmer did not oblige, arguing that putting more people back to work would mean more social interactions at places like gas stations where the virus could spread. 

Her new order does not include any new exemptions for landscapers, and her administration provided additional guidance stating that “businesses cannot designate workers to perform cosmetic and non-emergency maintenance and improvements to the outdoor areas of residences and businesses.” 

Golf clubs can’t open

Some lawmakers had also urged Whitmer to re-open golf courses, again arguing that golfers could maintain proper social distancing outside. But the Whitmer administration, in a new guidance, made clear that golf courses are not considered critical infrastructure that can be opened to the public. 

“Golf courses may designate workers whose in-person presence is strictly necessary to conduct minimum basic operations, such as ensuring security,” the administration said. “Minimum basic operations do not include serving the public.”

Gun stores, shooting ranges 'non-essential'

Whitmer’s new stay-home order, like her last, relies on a March 19 guidance from the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency to identify critical infrastructure workers exempt from the stay-home order. 

Her order specifically ignores “any subsequent guidance” released by the same agency, including an expanded list of critical workers released March 28 that identifies “workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges.”

Gun stores are considered “non-essential” under the Michigan order, Whitmer spokesman Tiffany Brown told Bridge Magazine.

Likewise, the administration says shooting ranges and hunting clubs cannot be open to the public. “Whether indoor or outdoor in nature, employees of these types of facilities are not considered critical infrastructure,” according to an updated guidance

What can you do outside?

Like the initial order, Whitmer’s new stay-home mandate does allow residents to engage in various outdoor activities, provided they remain 6 feet apart. 

Walking, hiking, running, cycling, kayaking or canoeing are expressly authorized, along with “other similar physical activity” and “any comparable activity for those with limited mobility.”

In a revised guidance, the administration now says that “using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not” permitted under the order. And residents must not share a canoe or kayak with anyone who is not a part of their household. 

Campgrounds are closed to the general public as well but could be used to provide temporary shelter to the needy or critical infrastructure workers. 

Can I be arrested for leaving home?

A “willful violation” of Whitmer’s stay-home order is considered a misdemeanor offense, while a separate emergency order from the state health department established a fine of up to $1,000 for violators and a licensing review for businesses that do not adhere to the temporary rules.

Still, you don’t have to fear getting pulled over for simply driving down the street. 

Local police are treating any violations of the stay-home order as a “secondary offense,” meaning they won’t stop drivers simply to ask where they’re going but might question their destination if they run a red light, said Bob Stevenson, executive director of the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police.

“There are way too many legal reasons for why people might be driving down the road,” he said. 

After days of confusion under Whitmer’s initial stay-home order, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel asked local law police to handle frontline enforcement and provided them with guidance. Her office has issued multiple cease-and-desist letters to non-compliant businesses and promised to prosecute local cases if necessary. 

For the most part, police who see potential violations are simply reminding people to comply with the order, Stevenson said. In the event there is an “ambiguous” situation, police are referring cases to local prosecutors to decide if charges are warranted.

“I think it could be difficult to tell if somebody’s selling vegetable seeds,” he said. “We’re not getting into that level of minutiae. The thing that will grab a police department’s attention, the things they're really concerned about, are the large gatherings where 40 or 50 people will gather for impromptu parties in flagrant violation of social distancing.”

While enforcement varies by local agency, officials in Detroit and Wayne County, where COVID-19 has hit hardest, have recently ramped up enforcement efforts. City police last weekend checked 792 locations for potential violations, issued 74 citations, talked with two non-compliant businesses and broke up nine parties.

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Bob
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 1:28pm

It gets frustrating when there are orders that are obviously not enforceable. You can't visit friends. What are police going to do - randomly knock on doors and take attendance? We need to be locked in because governments on the state and federal level messed up and messed up badly from Dec - Mar.
In about 15 days there are going to be some hard questions that need to be answered and they won't all be able to be answered by "stay at home."

George
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 8:42pm

According to Michigan Public Act 390 of 1976, which forms the legal basis of the Governor's executive order, in order for the executive order to be legal it must indicate the "conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster". Did her executive order establish what conditions must be met or not met prior the termination of the state of disaster?
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vjxxrc4hy3wjkw4wstyfjo3t))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-30-403

The closest language I could find this is section 13 of her executive order which says "The governor will evaluate the continuing need for this order prior to its expiration." Does this establish the conditions that must be met in order to terminate the executive order? I don't think it does.
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-522626--,00.html

If the requirements in section 3 of the PA 390 were not met, why did she list it as a source of authority for her executive order?

You may be right- these executive orders may indeed be illegal.

Diane
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:34pm

Who cares whether it’s legal or not? If it saves lives shut up!

Some Guy
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 5:35pm

Using THAT logic, let's eliminate cars, cigarettes, and alcohol... Shut up - it would save lives...

Britspanman
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 1:07am

When you die from COVID19, you essentially drown in your own lungs after suffering a long painful decline. Now I don't give a damn if that is how you want to go, but, not me.

Some girl up north
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 12:24am

That makes no sense. No one is going to catch a car accident from your alcohol problem, or get cancer from me because I am a closet smoker.

Goldust
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 6:35pm

Spoken like a good sheep that can't wait to hand over all of it's rights and happily anticipates living in a permanent police state.

Jim
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 2:55pm

Where is your proof that this is saving lives?
All it is doing is prolonging the inevitable. Whether you miss getting affected this round you wont with the next or the next.....
Just like the flu, chances are you will get it sooner or later. For the last three years I gave received the flu shot. Guess what sissy? Yup, I got the flu!

Sony Be
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 3:47pm

You’re right. This shutdown is not saving lives. It’s putting people lives in more danger — out of the sunshine (no vitamin D), no fresh air, no grounding to the earth. People are dying because they are immune compromised. Let the healthy go out and work, let the sickly folks stay home and work on their immune health. Dr. Shiva says it in his YouTube videos — let the healthy people go back to work. Don’t shutdown a country for COVID-19 which is a virus that most people survive from. We all have viruses, germs, bacteria in us. Build your body’s immunity and you can fight this virus. You’re immune comprised? Stay home.

Metro
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 7:19pm

You ignorant morons stay at home and follow the rules like everyone else your not special

John
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 3:06am

Metro, the armed populace of Michigan disagree with you. I'd recommend you shut the F up.

Mark Schwendnder
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 1:46pm

Whitmer is using the pandemic to unjustly exercise power she constitutionally does not have. She is a typical power hungry totalitarian democrat who feels that we, who in her opinion are not as intelligent or 'educated' as they; need her and her ilk to rule over us. She wants like all the libtards to take away freedoms and ruin self determination by decimating the means of people to provide for themselves and causing everyone to rely on the government 'rulers' to sustain them thus increasing their power. Remember Gretchen, power corrupts. You can't even do the first thing you told your simpleton advocates "I will fix the damn roads". What makes you think you have the brains to rule effectively?

Nutty
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 2:18pm

I agree with Mark's prognosis. But with what the Governor has done I believe opened up the eyes of so many pragmatic liberals, I guess that is what they call themselves, because it is their social gatherings, sales and future revenue of their artistic endeavors and regular business activities that will feel the pain, because unemployment monies don't spend the same way as money people have the ability to work for and gather. I have no doubt there will be an exodus out of this state as opportunity, fees and taxes has only grown worse over the years. I have to stop writing now, and help somebody that fell into a pothole on my road and can't get out.

Michael Moesch
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:15pm

I completely agree. Our brave and independent fore-fathers left England and then fought the strongest army in the world, because of the deeply ingrained call of Freedom. I do not understand why we cannot stand up against the evil that Gov Whitmer is forcing on us. We are the children of Men and Women who fought against the Evils of Nazis and Communists. We are the generation who fought against government trying to take our basic Constitutional Rights. We are the children who fought for the God Given Rights to be available to Minorities. We are the Governed, however, we should not succumb to the tyranny of those we elect to govern us. We are smart enough to manifest our own destiny. Please stand and condemn Governor Whitmer and her totalitarian regime

John Bugajski
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:42am

Agreed, but speaking specifically to you comments about being governed by the people we elected, please remind everyone you know that Queen Whitmer won ONLY 17 of Michigans 83 counties. Even though Hillary got 5 million more votes in 2016, she only won 435 of the country's 3,141 counties, while President Trump won over 2,300+. If Michigan had an electoral college like the country...NOBODY would even know her name. She only won 2 counties north of I-69! Demographically, she had LESS THAN 21% of Michigans vote. She just had the 3 biggest counties, Wayne Oakland and Macomb...Which, by the way, have the MOST Michigan residents receiving food stamps, bridge cards, SSI, ADC, housing assistance and so on. Figure it out and pass it along.

Cindy Walker
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:30am

Thank you John Bugajski for that information. Michigan needs the electoral college.

Jerry Schippa
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:14pm

Here we go again. Empty land apparently counts more than taxpaying human beings.

William Bailey
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 4:37am

By your logic. When you Demorats get rid of the electoral college for POTUS. Your state vote will mean almost nothing. Because the majority votes will come from New York, California, Illinois. They will force their mindset onto you.

Billy Whiteshoes
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:24pm

No it’s called “Governance by Mob Rule” you have 3 counties making decisions for the entire states needs, which is far from “Equal Representation of the People” as the Electoral College provides! We have a Totalitarian Marxist election system which coincides with the Authoritative Marxist ideology of the Democrat Party!

Farmer
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:22pm

Jerry,

We feed you with that 'empty land'. How about we just only sell what we grow on our farm to people who think we count? We'd starve you ingrates to death within 2 seasons. Don't bite the hand that feeds you - Those who feed you voted almost exclusively for Trump. Think you could nationalize farms? Yeah, that worked out great for the communists. Significant percentages of nations starved to death over that nonsense.

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 4:37am

Farmer,

Because if you took your own advice, you wouldn't be a capitalist. And you wouldn't be able to survive.

WE need eachother right now. NOT one us can survive without the other.

And besides, how would you get parts for your tractors or implements if not from city folk? Let alone gas to power them?

Might want to rethink your position.

Dennis Ingham
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 11:47am

Right , the corn vote matters.

Anonymous
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:31pm

[[[Agreed, but speaking specifically to you comments about being governed by the people we elected, please remind everyone you know that Queen Whitmer won ONLY 17 of Michigans 83 counties.

If Michigan had an electoral college like the country...NOBODY would even know her name. She only won 2 counties north of I-69! Demographically, she had LESS THAN 21% of Michigans vote. She just had the 3 biggest counties, Wayne Oakland and Macomb...]]]

I'm sorry but do counties vote or do people? Because I thought that it was one person one vote not based on acreage. Voting for only property owners went out the window at least a hundred or more years ago. Are you saying the people who live in the cities shouldn't have a vote?

Or are you saying they should be handicapped like a golf score?

[[Which, by the way, have the MOST Michigan residents receiving food stamps, bridge cards, SSI, ADC, housing assistance and so on. Figure it out and pass it along.]]]

What is the per capita on food stamps vs Northern MI and Detoilet?

My bet? You're not going to like the results. It's pretty poor up here.

John Bugajski
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:07am

Agreed, but speaking specifically to you comments about being governed by the people we elected, please remind everyone you know that Queen Whitmer won ONLY 17 of Michigans 83 counties. Even though Hillary got 5 million more votes in 2016, she only won 435 of the country's 3,141 counties, while President Trump won over 2,300+. If Michigan had an electoral college like the country...NOBODY would even know her name. She only won 2 counties north of I-69! Demographically, she had LESS THAN 21% of Michigans vote. She just had the 3 biggest counties, Wayne Oakland and Macomb...Which, by the way, have the MOST Michigan residents receiving food stamps, bridge cards, SSI, ADC, housing assistance and so on. Figure it out and pass it along.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:42am

So what? It is one person/ one vote. She got more votes in populated areas.

Farmer
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:23pm

Mark,
Clusters of people who are incapable of surviving for themselves (i.e., cities) do not count as much as the people who feed them.

Fact.

Deal with it.

Farmer's votes should count for as many people as they feed, ha!

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 4:45am

Farmer,

Again, how do you keep YOUR supply chain going? Do you smelt your own steel? Do you forge your own steel? Do us rural folks keep the economic engine going? Then why isn't Kansas the economic engine of the World? Bread basket? Maybe. But who built their tractors? And where are the parts made?

NOT IN THE USA!

If anyone doubts what I am saying about blaming cabin dwellers for what is about to hit rural America.....look to this post!

Guaranteed.

Johnnyboy
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:18am

Yeah, drink some more kool aid and fire off a few more rounds, you’ll feel lot’s better.

Angela Baranski
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 6:50pm

Would you - and every other Republican - please, please stop using the term "libtard?" It is one thing to have an opinion; it is another to use a slur against a whole group of people who have done nothing to you and have nothing to do with these restrictions and your complaints. This term needs to go.

Billy Whiteshoes
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:28pm

Yes the proper term is “Statist Regressive” which perfectly describes their Totalitarian Marxist Statist Ideology!

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 11:40pm

So Statists are leftists but when republicans call for States rights........what does that make them?

Even though they use it as cudgel to push back against the Feds........unless the Feds are controlled by republicans. And if a locality (the closer the government the better the government) goes against the State when republicans are in control? They over ride the locals authority.

What is it you were saying about Statists?

Walther Funk
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 1:49pm

I agree- call them communists, fascists, corporatists, and authoritarians. They prefer power and control over truth and reason. Even Angela's first impulse was to control what you were allowed to say rather than respond to the content of your argument.

Nate
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 9:33pm

Angela is a libtard.

B Kid
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:56pm

Agree, The Michigan Governor is an absolute idiot that has no idea what she is doing. She should be recalled.

Afymon
Sun, 04/19/2020 - 6:03am

It would be different if she was trying her hardest to help Michigan residents but she's not. She is more concerned about her political aspirations than the well being of the people. It's often the end result when sycophants find adoration from party leadership. There's a really good chance her Orwellian approach backfires and she's tossed in one election cycle. Odds are not on her side wether she sees it or not. My guess would be Biden passes on her because of racial profiling, which is ok if you're a Democrat, and the residents of the State insist on her removal. They've watched their livelihoods and economy destroyed for political purposes. Democrat's, Republicans, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Tree huggers, etc. all own small businesses in the State, and Michigan is chocked full of them. This doesn't end well for Wretched Whit-Ler.......excuse me....Gretchen Jenner......oops....Gretchen Whitless........nevermind.

John
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 3:07am

She'll never pass the biden sniff test.. I'll bet she uses horse shampoo for that nasty mane.

Harris
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 2:26pm

So good to know that while I can stock up on booze I can't get paint. I'll say this, this does prevent drunken and slap dash home improvements.

Jefferson
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 4:00pm

Look on the bright side, at least you aren't one of those people who huff paint!

Sorry just kidding that isn't even funny but I had to say it

jan
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 11:04am

Jefferson that was funny. Maybe save a few huffers

bam
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:10am

you can buy paint, she is allowing the small box stores to see it. Ace Hardware is selling paint & garden supplies.
It makes no sense, should be.. allow are stores to sell or none to be able to sell

bam
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:20am

you can buy paint, she is allowing the small box stores to see it. Ace Hardware is selling paint & garden supplies.
It makes no sense, should be.. allow are stores to sell or none to be able to sell

Mary Sue
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:25pm

With all the rains, my basement in my new house has sprouted a leak. The problem is that water builds up on our side yard. So now that my husband just lost his job and has some time on his hands, he was going to dig a trench, put some rocks and tubing in it, and use that drainage to prevent our house from flooding. But apparently this isn't essential, so we can't, and my basement is flooding.

Why does a career bureaucrat who lives in a mansion in Lansing manned by an army of servants get to decide what is essential and what isn't essential for my family? She doesn't know- she gets to sit pretty, collecting her paycheck regularly, printing tshirts promoting herself, going on comedy shows, and judging me and my family. This is still America and me and my husband are still free citizens, and we're not going to put up much longer with this police state BS coming from that nitwit.

middle of the mit
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 9:57pm

Mary Sue,

I am sorry for the position that your family is in. You are not the only one.

I do have some suggestions for this particular case though. You are looking at putting in a French drain. If you own the shovel you don't need to buy it. The French drain tube is in any home improvement stores plumbing aisle. I would bet you can still purchase it. Instead of spending all that money at the store for bagged rocks, call your local gravel company and have a couple yards of stone dropped at your house. I would bet gravel companies are open. They will tell you the proper size and even an approximate amount needed to fill your drain.

Please note that the French drain will help with the flooding but they are mostly to used to deal with run off from your roof and are an alternative to gutters. You may have to grade your yard away from the foundation, or build or dig some type of diversion so that the water runs away from the house and doesn't just sit along the side of the house foundation once the well at the end of the drain fills up.

I hope this helps your situation.

I realize that these are trying times, but if we stick together we can pull through this with minimal deaths.

Mary Sue
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 2:05pm

My father in law took your advice and went out and tried to dig a ditch with the shovel, like you suggested. He had a heart attack.

Now that lawn services are cancelled, I can imagine a lot of elderly people or people with other health conditions attempting to mow their lawns and suffering potential deadly heath problems. Whomever cancelled those lawn services are responsible for any of these health problems.

I also saw an elderly gentleman on the roof of his house attempting to fix a leak. He said he tried to call someone to do it, but the Governor had issued orders shutting down these professionals. After I walked away I saw him fall off the roof.

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 1:46am

Mary Sue, You wouldn't be trying to pull a conservative BS job on me would ya?

Mary Sue
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:25pm

With all the rains, my basement in my new house has sprouted a leak. The problem is that water builds up on our side yard. So now that my husband just lost his job and has some time on his hands, he was going to dig a trench, put some rocks and tubing in it, and use that drainage to prevent our house from flooding. But apparently this isn't essential, so we can't, and my basement is flooding.]]]

Because now you are telling me that I am personally responsible for YOU Telling your elderly father in law to dig a ditch that YOU told ME YOUR husband was going to dig.

It is time FOR WORTHLESS CONSERVATIVE LIARS LIKE YOU TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY FOR YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS. I told YOU to dig a ditch. If YOU asked your father to do it? THAT IS YOUR FAULT! IF HE HAD A HEART ATTACK AFTER YOU ASKED HIM TO DO WHAT I told you or your husband to do, THAT IS YOUR FAULT. I do assume that your husband is of better health and more capable? That is what you offered.

What I am getting from you is that you are a BLOVIATOR! AKA LIAR!

I tried being nice to you in good faith, and you outed yourself as a LIAR AND CHEAT. AKA REPUBLICAN!

YOU ARE OUTED!

GOOD DAY AND good riddance!

Isn't it weird that all of a sudden every conservative has allowed someone that should have never done something do something, especially when youngers are telling olders to do the digging? If that is where you are Mary Sue, I am glad I am not related to you! According to you, you would rather work your father in law to death than have your husband dig that ditch for his father.

This why family means nothing in conservative ville!

Mary Sue?

Your gonnna have to get up pretty early to pull one over on me. And even if you stay up late? Oh wait! ha ha ha!!! It's 1;40am!!!!

YOU will ALWAYS LOSE!

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 2:52am

Did you at least call an ambulance for your elderly gentleman on the roof of his house after he fell off?

Ha ha ha ha!!!

Flabbergastor!

And just in case this did happen, You are one the most inept people I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with.

All I am going to say after this, is you people from down south should really stop berating the people who you are now fleeing to for your safety. It really might bite in the rear!

Locals .................like locals......................and if you pay taxes...................but don't live here..........................YOU ARE NOT LOCAL! And we know it. Better hope that COVID-19 DOESN'T SPIKE AFTER OUR POPULATION DOES.

Because if it does, You don't live in the city anymore. If you don't understand what I am saying, You haven't been listening to me since I have been on this board. I tried to quell the urban/rural divide, then the urbans came up here without quarantining themselves.

You get what you get.

I hope it works for you conservatives.

Because what I see, they don't care and neither do conservatives up here, until it hits up here. And if that happens? You southerners are going to wish you had a way out.

I am not trying to be a prick unlike those who think they own the town because they own a lot and pay property taxes. I am just speaking as someone who was born and bread but doesn't own as much of the town as you because you pay taxes and have a house. I am telling you this as someone who grew up here. This isn't the city. These aren't the people you are used to. And there is a comradeship amongst us. I am way more liberal than most up here. But I will be defended against the most conservative in the city who comes up here by everyone in the town.

Why? BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOME! NOT YOURS. If you have a second cabin? Stay HOME! If you don't like it? YOU should have made Northern Michigan your HOME in the first place! If you didn't? Heh. You should have thought about that. Get it? I am sure you do.

Jack
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 10:51pm

Middle of the Mit,

How long have you been living off the taxes I've been paying? What form of welfare are you living off of? Property rights, for those that actually own property, are a heck of a thing. And, often hard to understand for those that don't own property. You can complain about fudgy's all you want, but at the end of the day, what you are complaining about is the right to own property and manage it as you see fit. I suspect that the reason you feel you are an isolated liberal surrounded by conservatives is that you either didn't care about, or didn't pay attention to, the high school civics class you were expected to take. Hopefully, once you actually own something, you'll come to understand and care about the meaning of "property rights."

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 5:44am

Jack,

Do you understand what property rights are? You own the property that you pay taxes on. If you don't reside in that community, you DON'T GET A VOTE. Do you understand that? There are renters in our Northern communities that make less than you and pay the same tax rate. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Fudgys, flatlanders and city slickers. Yeah dude, I think I get it better than you do. I also think you don't understand because you think I am uneducated. And by your standards..I very well may be. But so is everyone else up here. And they are no where near as forgiving as I am. Do you understand that? Those people that call you those names? THEY ARE THE MAGAS!!!

They are literately YOUR people! Have you not listened to ANYTHING I have been posting?

Owning property and managing it as you see fit is NOT THE SAME THING AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY BUT STILL BELIEVES THEY SHOULD RUN THE COMMUNITY! If you want to build something on your property? So be it! As long as you abide by LOCAL codes. I am not going to complain. Why should I? I do the same.

Do you understand the difference?

I don't think you understand who it is that lives up here, or how they think let alone who I am just by your next exhortation.

[[[I suspect that the reason you feel you are an isolated liberal surrounded by conservatives is that you either didn't care about, or didn't pay attention to, the high school civics class you were expected to take. Hopefully, once you actually own something, you'll come to understand and care about the meaning of "property rights."]]]

If you think that is why I don't want you folks to come up here now, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN. I am telling you this for your own benefit. I am NOT THE ONE WHO HATES CITY DWELLERS! If you haven't figured that out, you haven't been reading my posts. I AM WARNING AGAINST THE BACKLASH THAT THE MAGA HAT WEARERS WILL UNLEASH UPON YOU if this virus is not a hoax.

So beware!

And know from this time out what will be is what will be. I am hoping that we go the way Matthew 25 vs 32-40. But there are goats. And they are going to need to be pushed back. There may actually be a belated need for a year of Jubilee. I don't know why I just said belated, but none the less. It IS what is needed, and it is Biblical. The question you have to ask yourself now is..............Why did God allow HIS chosen people to have a year of Jubilee every 7 years and no Usury(interest charged to people) ?

And why isn't it a law now? It used to be.

BaronofLivonia
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 5:04am

Or just dig up along wall that is leaking and coat with a Dewitt type of product down and over footing. I have noticed in past 2 decades local Building Codes Enforcement being pretty lax on foundation and drain tile inspections. Plumbers are all still able to work.

Carl Holmes
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 6:29pm

I think that this guy was using a reductio ad absurdum argument- taking a claim (that the government should decide what is essential and non-essential) and arguing it to the extremes to expose the failures of the claim. It was kind of silly, but I got his point. I think the other person who commented missed the point.

Jackie
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:53am

The first day she was in office ,she gave her self a $30,000 raise!. Shes a hypocrite! So I can walk in a grocery store, to by tp and buy alcohol due to it being sold there., But cant get paint from Home Depot . Also I can go to a dispensary and buy marajauna cse, those are still open. Ridiculous!

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:40pm

Lottery tickets! Yes, the stores are only opened for lottery ticket sales!!

The reason that you can go into a grocery store is because if you don't eat, you starve to DEATH.

I don't know if it is only medical or also recreational, but people use cannabis for pain and other physical ailments. That is why they are opened. I am sorry if you can't understand that paint isn't as important than food or medicine.

Again........WHY am I apologizing for pro-life people who don't understand what compassion or sympathy are, let alone what empathy is?

Middle of the twit
Fri, 04/17/2020 - 9:46pm

Yes - grocery stores are open because food is essential. I don't think anyone would argue that. Does it seem reasonable to allow someone to buy a lottery ticket IF that wasn't their primary purpose for going to the store? It seems reasonable to me. I have nothing against that. BUT then, why isn't it also OK to allow someone to buy paint, flooring, garden suppliers, fertilizer, seeds, or anything else that's "not essential," according to Gritch HalfWhit, while they are in the store for something that is essential? THAT is what everyone is pissed about, and rightfully so. It's a typical double standard. SHE thinks it's OK for her to decide what is essential and what is not, and worse than that, the decisions she makes in that regard make absolutely no sense!!!!! Lottery tickets are OK, but seeds and paint are not? Someone PLEASE explain how prohibiting the sale of paint, flooring, or seeds helps stop the spread, but prohibiting lottery ticket sales doesn't. I hope she gets recalled. She deserves it.

BobF
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:11pm

She did not give herself a raise. The governor's salary is $159,300/year, the same it has been for many years.

PLombard
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:27pm

I generally support Gov. Whitmer, but she is greatly in error by exempting places of worship in her executive orders. She’s closed barbershops and theaters but not places of worship, which are similar to theaters. She asked the legislature to avoid meeting. Here’s some data to support my concern:
A 2019 survey revealed 14% of adults go to a movie once a month or more. Forty percent of moviegoers go less than once a month and 46% go once or less a year. In another 2019 survey, 33% of Americans attend a place of worship either every week or almost every week. A 2015 study of men’s grooming habits showed the average time men get their hair cut from between 3.8 and 5.1 weeks.

data from:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264396/frequency-of-going-to-the-mov...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/245491/church-attendance-of-americans/
https://www.modernsalon.com/370823/the-2015-mens-grooming-study

I’ve read the Governor granted places of worship an exemption to mollify the house speaker, Rep. Chatfield. I don’t want his religious extremism imposed upon my safety needs or the needed safety precautions for Michigan residents.

Matt
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:44pm

There's that damn 1st amendment again! But of course as you pro-abortion people love to say, if you don't like it don't go!

Nutty
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 4:04pm

You probably don't have to worry no church wants to be liable if one of their congregates gets sick or dies. Plus their still asked to follow that national guidelines of ethier I can't remember a limit of 50 or 10 in a gathering and with social distancing I think of 6ft apart. Wow what a party they can have, not.

Zephania
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:20am

Yeah that damn First Amendment giving religious liberties to the citizenry. She would likely be sued if she tried to stop them from gathering. I wish somebody would start a class-action lawsuit over our right to assemble. As it stands, if a group of people wanted to protest outside the Governor's mansion in Lansing, they could be hit with $1000 fines. This an over-reach of power pure and simple.

Common Sense
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 1:01pm

Agreed that people should be allowed to gather and do whatever they want. However if they do and they get covid then they should not be treated by the hospitals that are trying to get people to stay home and social distance. Stay home and treat yourself and see how it goes. Maybe if you have gone to church against the guidelines you could try praying a little harder. It might work or it might now lets see. Its the risk you take yourself of gathering without putting those that are trying to help at risk...the ones that didn't ask to be put at risk and want to follow the rules.

Satan
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 7:33pm

Your book of fairy tales can be televised

Dave
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:35am

Rather than doing it to "mollify" the house speaker, I would suggest she instead was made to realize that regulating church/worship practices is in violation of the US Constitution.

Dave
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:37am

Rather than doing it to "mollify" the house speaker, I would suggest she instead was made to realize that regulating church/worship practices is in violation of the US Constitution.

Brian
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 12:48pm

PLombard,

Attending religious services is not extremism. It is however a constitutionally guaranteed right. It does compromise your safety as you are free not to attend services. The Governors order is contrary to the Constitution of the United States in several ways. What Heir Whitmer has designated “essential “ is also highly suspect. Lottery sales (I guess Heir Governor wants her money), liquor and marijuana sales are “essential”?

John
Thu, 04/23/2020 - 3:08am

Don't worry. Over 10 million guns in this state. The commies can go fvck themselves....

Angela Baranski
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 6:56pm

Churches might be exempt, but many of them are closed, anyway. I belong to the Episcopal Church and our dioceses have closed all churches in the state until mid-May.

Micheal Paul
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:28pm

Angela has made a great point here- when given freedom and liberty, Americans (more often than not) make wise and smart decisions. I trust in the freedom and liberty of Americans to make wise decisions on how they run their lives and businesses- I put far more trust in that process than in a couple politically corrupted and bought off politicians making decisions based on unknown 'experts'. Let the people be free! Freedom!

Matt
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:48pm

Gov Whitmer is proving the absolute truth of the saying, "if you scratch a Leftist you'll find an Authoritarian"!

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:46am

Is Trump and the Republican Governors who did stay at home orders Authoritarians too?

VeeMann
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:31pm

Yes.
Thanks for playing.
V

Jane Thomas
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:23pm

From all the hissy fits I've read here from people who absolutely stand FOR authoritarian governments (as long as the "authority" agrees with their own biases), I doubt that most here will understand your question. And because of the name-calling and poor spelling of so many posts, I think I have a good idea of who these folks are.

Greg
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 3:56pm

I feel that keeping liquor store open and allowing lottery sales are what is helping to fuel the increased spread and rise of deaths in Michigan. She doesn't want to lose the tax revenue which she feels is more important apparently.

Curt Raftshol
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 6:26pm

Vote this monster OUT ASAP!

Bernadette
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:38am

Wow, you remind me of a 2 year old who is having a temper tantrum.

Farmer
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:26pm

Bernadette,
I've seen your other comments on here. You disgust me. I wonder how long you would survive all on your own. Could you grow your own food and preserve it for the winter seasons? Would you know how to build shelter and collect enough fuel to keep yourself warm?
If the answer to either of those questions is no, then you need to shut up and get back in your useless little corner.

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 3:40am

After the responses I have on this board, I would bet you couldn't tell me how to make sure seeds sprout in the spring.

I wait on baited breath..

Just kidding. You don't know what to do with seeds in the winter.

Joe Schmoe
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 12:58pm

Bernadette, is this your thing? You go on this site and just personally attack anyone who disagrees with you? I've seen you all over here trying to just character-assassinate anyone who disagrees with your communist beliefs. If you can't engage in logic or reason, then please just sit back and read from others and learn.

John P.
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 6:47pm

This article reports that the new order "specifically ignores 'any subsequent guidance'” from the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency regarding firearm retailers.

Does the lack of an order from the governor = an order to shut down? In other words, are firearm retails expected to shut down based on the absence of language recognizing the subsequent guidance from the CISA in the governor's order? Is the spokesman's word to be taken as official? Would appreciate some clarification on this point. Thanks!

Jane Thomas
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:17pm

I don't think the gun shops have to shut down, just their shooting ranges. The gun place I go to has not shut down its firearm sales. I'm looking forward to my place reopening the gun range. I'd hate to get out of practice! :-)

Gary
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 6:59pm

I reject the idea that a family can’t go out on their boat and do some fishing. I think this new order where as you can go out and Kayak but not a motorized boat. If your already eating together living together than fishing together is not adding anymore risk.

Chuck Niedermeier
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:16am

I agree. Boating can have extremely little risk. Wipe the gas pump before u fill. Go in boat on water w immediate family. Give me a break. Bad enough w everything. Ml

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:44pm

Yeah! Take your family out on the boat. To do so, you are going to have to touch a dock that how many other people and how many other families have already touched...........that you don't know about?

Go ahead. But you are going to have to take personal responsibility. You conservatives can start contracting and spreading it amongst yourselves. It may be the only that you ever believe what is happening. Hopefully you don't drag it out even longer than it needs to be. But that is path you are on.

Nan
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:37pm

It if you live on a lake the touching stuff doesn’t become the problem does it??

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 3:15am

How do you think one gets on the lake oh so superior one?

They do so by putting their boat in a slip on a dock, the same dock that every family before them docked their boat on. Do You understand what I am trying to say? Because from your post.......you seem pretty obtuse.

If 100 people are allowed to launch their boats, And if each person can infect 40 people, that touched the same dock, can you do the math Kevin?

Brian
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 11:20am

This is definitely politically motivated. Only people using powerboats in Michigan in April are fisherman. Not like there are thousands of people gathering on the Torch Lake sandbar. Look in the parking lot at boat ramps and you see F150s pulling trailers for fishing boats. Bet most also own guns and many are NRA members. Look in the parking lots where people launch kayaks and you see Subaru Outbacks driven by people who are most likely Whitmer voters. The plant thing is also politically driven. Do not have the facts, but my hypothesis is that many of the business people who have greenhouse businesses in the state are concentrated in West Michigan and is a "red" vs. "blue" county thing. For the life of me can not understand the paint thing. You can buy painting supplies, solvents, strippers but no paint. Does she have a beef with Sherwin-Williams or some other large paint manufacturer?

Farmer
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:27pm

We had an Easter gathering today and a couple of family and friends went fishing. Nothing is stopping you. Ignore the tyranny and do what is right. We are!

Gary
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 6:59pm

I reject the idea that a family can’t go out on their boat and do some fishing. I think this new order where as you can go out and Kayak but not a motorized boat. If your already eating together living together than fishing together is not adding anymore risk.

J
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:58am

The DNR says it is still legal to fish, but is attempting to remove the access, which is largely the same impact as making it illegal to fish. It is the same as restricting access to a second home or cabin. Removal of access to a second home is technically equivalent to a property seizure.

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 3:36am

Who is seizing your property? You are quarantined in your home. YOUR cabin is NOT your home. If it was, that is where you would be and that is where you would be making your living. STOP believing that because you own a house up here that up here is your home. IT ISN'T YOUR HOME. Otherwise you would be able to vote up here. So you do admit it right? Or do you think you should be allowed to vote at your home and your second home too? Do you think that you are so special that you should be able to vote for both areas? Should you be able to vote for federal elections in both areas too?

YOU ALL NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELVES. THIS ISN'T ABOUT INDIVIDUALISM. And the FACT that I have to say this after Resurrection day makes me sick. But it doesn't surprise me at all. I have been apologizing for right wingers apoplectic shoulder shrugs for as long as I can remember. NO MORE! It is TIME FOR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY on the part of the party that can ONLY BLAME OTHERS FOR NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. Free Trade? Who started that? Nixon? He was a REPUBLICAN! Reagan? he loved FREE TRADE! So did HW and So did W!!!

Face it cons, everything that you think you are against now, liberals were against 20 years ago. What took so long? PROFITS OVER PEOPLE, THAT IS WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG!.

That is the problem now isn't it? You are still trying to figure out how to put the paper people before the flesh and blood workers (because they aren't people) only corporations are people right?

Jon
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 7:35pm

Why single out paint and plants. Do they carry Covid 19? I liked what the Governor of Florida had to say about social distancing. It’s not so much what you do as how you do it. How is a single fisherman passing the day out on a lake going to spread Covid 19. Maybe it’s that nasty pollution spewing internal combustion engine. Who cares if you are alone out on your wave runner? Yet you can gather still in a group of 10 or less. Or gather for a power walk in the neighborhood with friends. Heaven forbid that common sense should be the order of the day. The notion that standing alone at the gas pump and driving alone down the road somehow increases the likelihood of spreading Coronavirus is nuts . It’s less likely than being at home with several other family members as long as I keep to myself and wash my hands or use hand sanitizer. The Governor must have something against guns and gasoline. No wonder she wants the legislature not to meet. They might try to reverse her senseless power grab.

10x25mm
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 10:19pm

Wretched Gretchen's executive orders are so obnoxious, one is tempted to actually believe that she isn't using them to promote herself as Joe Biden's running mate. Of course, Democratic Party politics have an other worldly quality these days.

deegee
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 7:30pm

I agree with you totally. The breaking news conferences are her dress rehearsals for VP. Aint gonna happen. Her likability factor is lacking greatly. Michigan is experiencing life under commie rule which will never be forgotten.

Mjm
Fri, 04/10/2020 - 10:28pm

Governor Whitmer needs to go, what a embarrassment to Michigan.

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 12:22am

I am having a hard time with the conservatives on this board. They say that they are law abiding citizens, but now they want to disobey the law that their elected officials, not just the Governor enacted.

Some say that Ohio's Republican Governor did good, but it's almost the same thing.

It's almost as though they think this is only happening in MI and or the US and they don't understand that it's the entire WORLD.

It's almost like they have lost the last 40 years and don't understand that ALL THINGS COME FROM CHINA NOW! FREE TRADE! Who started that? And it wasn't the World Health Organization.

It was done to diminish Union labor wages. Because Americans were asking for too much mammon for their efforts or should I refer to it as skills?

Either way, the law abiding people don't want abide by the law. They want to scream individualism!

Go ahead then. If you contract it and pass it on to on of your friends or family members, you ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for that contraction.

With freedom (or in this case should it be called freedumb?) comes responsibility.

Are you willing to take that responsibility?

Matt told me I didn't have class when someone complained that Governor Whitmer didn't cancel elections in May. And I responded that liberals had made sure that no reason absentee ballots were a right and then asked why that person who was so worried didn't exorcise that right.

Should we talk about how Wisconsin Republicans acted during their election this last Tuesday?

That is classless.

Or how the Supreme Court ruled in the Republicans favor for absentee ballots?

Fellow readers, I have a relative who works in the Detroit Metro area and she works between a hospital and a nursing home. She was quarantined for over a week before she got a negative test result. She has never seen the hospital so overwhelmed. And those that have been there longer than her haven't either.

This isn't the Flu KEVIN grand.

There is no flu virus that has ever had the hospital that she works in with 3 floors full.

Better start getting your news from better sources.

And Bridge is one of them.

The only thing I have left is to ask Bridge for one thing.

It "seems" as though there is an influx of conservatives that can't deal with every day things. Maybe you could start a post that has nothing to do with politics where people such as my self, as Duane has said "Those in the northern part of our State can deal with less and are more prepared to do so than urban apartment dwelllers" could actually transfer some knowledge to those conservatives in the urban areas that don't know how to do with less.

Just some thoughts.

penny
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:04am

Middle of the Mit...no one here cares to hear your drunken rant at 12 am .

J
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:08am

"Some say that Ohio's Republican Governor did good, but it's almost the same thing." ALMOST the same thing is not the same as the exact same thing.

VeeMann
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:36am

Oh you poor sheep.
V

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:24pm

Why YES! I AM A SHEEP! And I will gladly accept it! If your definition of a sheep is Matthew 25:33-40.

I'm from there too!
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:20am

Middle of the mit, You hit the nail right on the head. Couldn't agree more with everything you said.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:54am

Right on. Correct and intelligent.

Ernie
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:33am

middle of the mit, You should put a pillow case over your head and stay home till next year. Some of us NEED to get back to work.

middle of the mi
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 3:44am

How are you going to go back to work when the World is closed for business?

I have been asking this question on this board and have yet to get an answer.

Will you be the first to answer?

Little Bo Peep
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 9:50pm

Baaa.... Baaaa... has anyone seen my sheep? I seem to have lost my sheep. Baaa.... Baaa...

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 3:59am

Baa baa black sheep have seen my wool? No sir, no sir all I see are goats!

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Baaa Baaaaa!!

GLAD TO BE A SHEEP.

You do know that is HOW the Nations are Judged don't ya?

I would think that if you were a Christian, you would want a Sheep nation.

Go ahead!

Prove what I already know about you to be accurate!

Don't try to trade shots with someone who knows more than you. And who can shoot straighter.

Anonymous
Wed, 04/29/2020 - 1:31pm

I love reading your comments. The more you talk, the more people can see the crazy and mad and illogical fervor that animates people like you. You seem like a religious person, which is probably why you've taken so easily to the head scarves, human sacrifices, invention of bizarre and obscure rules of living, and invoking of magical phrases that the Governor is demanding. For the rest of us though, we don't subscribe to the Church of Wuhan Flu like you do.

Christina
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 2:33am

Limiting the number of people in any store makes sense, but limiting access to the products they sell is ridiculous. It will hurt the merchant and the consumer. It is prime planting time - planting time for vegetables that will potentially be in short supply soon. Stores like Home Depot and Lowe’s sell to contractors who are barely getting by. It’s all necessary to them. Let’s talk about the vape shops and bakeries that are still open...

John Havendow
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 2:46am

How the hell can you argue that paint is essential?
Do you nutcases really believe this is the fall of democracy because you can't buy paint for a month or two? Paint is not NEEDED. Tons of idiots go to these stores because they are bored and want to take the family out of the house. "I have time at home now since I can't work so I'll paint." etc. Doing something as non-essential as painting puts multiple people at risk. Not just your inbred family but the associates who work in these stores and their families. Stay home.

Jan
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:14am

People don't seem to know ESSENTIAL. Maybe a list should be made. food. hygiene.Damage to your house. Car trouble. You can order a lot. I was stocked up, wonder if I'll ever find toilet paper when I run out. My husband wanted to build a fence, and make garden boxes. Is he going to get the wood? NO. Too early for the garden,flowers not important! Hope we have a garden, but oh well. Haven't seen my daughter or grandkids, and we are not doing Easter. How many people will set us back by "visiting family" Your own household!

Jon
Fri, 04/17/2020 - 10:02pm

That's a great idea.....a list of essentials. You mean things like lottery tickets, alcohol, marijuana, and abortions, but not things like paint, seeds, fertilizer, and dental work, right? Explain the logic behind that and I'll get behind you and our communist governor. Otherwise, I'll continue to see her as the power hungry anti-American that she is.

Dan
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 8:41am

What does it matter what you buy at a store essential or not. If the store is open it should be able to sell what ever it has. People are still going to potentially spread the virus whether they buy the essential item or the nonessential item.

Billy Ray
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:31am

There will 1000s of constitutional lawsuits in the next year. And there should be. The constitution guarantees certain freedoms and these mayors and governors are trying to take those away. There is not civil unrest in this country and that would be the only guideline that may give them the right to take away constitutional freedoms. We have not even hit flu death levels yet and they are issuing stay at home orders.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:58am

Is the sky falling? A couple months of sacrifice means lawsuits? Man a lot if people wouldn't have survived the sacrifices of WW II.

VeeMann
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:35pm

Not EVEN close to the same thing.
Good grief.
V

Brian
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:44pm

Mark,

Violating the Constitution of the United States does mean law suits. The Governors order violate the Constitution so she should be sued. It is not about sacrifice, it is about supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Governor is not limiting businesses she likes that are not essential such as liquor and marijuana stores, and how about lottery sales? That is all about tax INCOME for the state, I guess Heir Governor still wants her money.

Anonymous
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 8:34am

What about people with their own dock and boat is that off limits as well. And I m sorry , but I disagree not allowing garden supplies etc. people need those activities to keep from going insane. Think of the local food chain being disrupted by not
Allowing folks to start the seeds and
Get the items needed for garden prep. By gosh don’t fine people who can’t mow their own lawns and have had seasonal contracts with landscapers for years to mow. Lottery , really the children’s car seats are taped off and I m not sure if
My needed walking shoes are essential but we are still promoting gambling. Shameful.
I will definitely be thinking of these things when the state elections come back around .

Bam
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:07am

Makes no sense,..
that the governors order does not allow big box stores to sell paint and garden supplies,
but she is allowing small box stores, like Ace Hardware can sell paint and garden supplies.
It should be all or none

Bob Dunn
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:50am

I understand the frustration some of you have. Yours are all individual items. Governor Whitner's job is to look at the whole state and try to protect the general population. The law allowed people to fish. But look at what happened at Tippy Dam. The people abused it. After numerous warnings, it was closed down. The leadership in the northern communities have voiced their opinion soundly by telling people not to come north to their cottages or visit. I give the governor credit for taking the lead in protecting the people. This virus is serious and we all should take it seriously.

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:48pm

[[[The leadership in the northern communities have voiced their opinion soundly by telling people not to come north to their cottages or visit. I give the governor credit for taking the lead in protecting the people. This virus is serious and we all should take it seriously.]]]

The funny thing is, up here we are all almost exclusively run by Republicans. The sad part is, we still have people coming up here. And NO! They are NOT quarantining themselves for any time at all.

Law abiders. What do you do with them?

Arjay
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:39am

I can understand putting limits on the number allowed in a store at any one time. I can understand putting limits on the number of people that can congregate at one time, or dictate distance that must be maintained between the congregants (believe me, 6’ just doesn’t hack it, it I should be more like 25’), but I can not tolerate the nitwit who broadcasts discrimination in any form. If you’re allowed in a store, and there are workers there willing to work, then there should be no restriction on what you can buy. If you own a store and comply with the volume and distancing of patrons, then there is no difference in selling guns or milk. If you own a second house in Michigan, then there should be no restriction on who can go to that house, as it is now permitted for Indiana or Wisconsin residents to travel to and from a second home in Michigan, but a Michigan resident can not do the same thing. There is no difference in crossing the street to see a friend than there is in crossing the street to bring medical aid to that friend. In fact it could be argued that by crossing the street, you are doing so to improve your own mental health. There is no difference in sitting apart whether you are in a theater or a church, although I think both are bad places to be at this time.

Whitmer’s dictates we’re not thought out, were I’ll conceived, and I hope someone sues the heck out of Michigan and wins a giant class action suit against this nit-w(h)it.

Math Sux
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 11:20am

Distance is an issue...yet we still had the Presidential Primary election and all the rallies/campaign events leading to the election itself when the virus was KNOWN and spreading. Seems like the Governor could have done something then. In the 2 weeks following the primary, cases increased 7x, and the numbers in Health Regions 2 North and 2 South (SE Michigan) were climbing BEFORE the election. Ah, politics...

Had the Governor merely extended the existing EO (2020-21) with EO 2020-42 and not added more restrictions, the current outcry would, likely, not dominate the news. However, even as people from border states travel to Michigan some of us can't fill our car locally and go to cabins/camps (and truly isolate in the woods) for the turkey or trout opener. No way would I venture into Mio, Atlanta, or Luzernne for food/fuel but I sure as heck would like to get some stream time around camp. Instead, I will plod away in the local streams by home. A big deal? In the final tally, not really but how in the heck can somebody from Illinois, Indiana, or Ohio have the ability to travel here while I can't get back to places I have enjoyed, solo, for 50 years?

The state won't shut down SE Michigan, the epicenter of the virus in this state, for reasons that have more to do with preserving the votes and avoiding claims of racism and bias, than science. It is the nature of Michigan politics...and while we may not like it, that is the world we have to tolerate. Grudgingly.

penny
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:46am

Pretty stupid to shut down the whole state, ruin the economy for a small section of the state that can't seem to do what is ordered!!! Whitmer needs to quit trying to impress biden for VP.

Kazoo86
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:08am

I was at Blains Farm and Fleet, yesterday and was surprised to see sections closed off. I question the legality of such actions demanded by the state. A business is open as it is framed necessary and essential, yet is required to close off sections of the store deemed non-essential. I truly believe in the effort to control the speed of the virus the state (state and federal) have overreached their authority. We saw this
in the middle of the 20th century. Plus the encouragement of neighbor calling on neighbor, Gestapo like actions? I see US Supreme Court actions.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 12:01pm

So if Government of the people doesn't have ultimate authority who would you suggest should? Corporations? A dictator? The military?

VeeMann
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:38pm

US as in WE THE PEOPLE!
V

Kazoo86
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 2:45pm

Your statement makes no sense. You fully support a total shutdown? That is fine if one has unlimited resources stuffed away in their shelter. But, don’t go get a child car safety seat, to transport your child with you because run ran out of formula or diapers, if you are a single parent. Mothers may have formula built in, but men don’t. Am I not going to allow a government or ANY authoritarian body to forbid me the God given right to protect my child? The man upstairs supersedes any human order. I will do anything in my person power to protect my family. ANYTHING! Enough said!!!

linda
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:20am

Whitmer's orders exempting some business activities and allowing others are the most Byzantine, bizarre and complex set of rules ever known to exist.

linda
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:20am

Whitmer's orders exempting some business activities and allowing others are the most Byzantine, bizarre and complex set of rules ever known to exist.

Bo
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:27am

So you are able to go and buy alchohol and get lit up, just not completely repair the hole in your wall.....

Sure. Makes total sense.

Remember, one time we had people willing to die for the right to do what they want. Ever hear the name Patrick Henry? There are rumblings that some of this is starting to go too far. If people are willing to die for the freedom to do what they want, do you think that they won't in turn be willing to catch a virus that in the U.S. has a less than 2% death rate? This kind of over-reach will eventually end in riots. Which is why in Michigan they ordered the gun stores to close. Think about that for just a minute.

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 11:35pm

First, You conservatives are just full of pablum,

Pablum
Pablum is a processed cereal for infants originally marketed by the Mead Johnson Company in 1931. The trademarked name is a contracted form of the Latin word pabulum, which means "foodstuff". The name "pablum" had long been used in botany and medicine to refer to nutrition or substances of which the nutritive elements are passively absorbed. In a broader sense, the word can also refer to something that is bland, mushy, unappetizing, or infantile.

Second, why do you still need gun stores to help defend your freedumb? When Obama was elected you ran on the gun stores and then complained after YOU BOUGHT ALL THE AMMUNITON and then blamed Obama for your economic transactions!

I would think you are already ammoed up and weaponized to defend yourselves against any zombie hoard that you would ever incur.........if you ever ran across zombies.

What is wrong? Do you have that hard of time hitting the target that you need that much more ammunition? I would suggest target practice. When you hit what you are aiming at, you only need one bullet.

And as far as the hole in your wall? Are you Mary Sue? Ha ha ha!

All of a sudden every conservative has a home problem they can not deal with. Sell your house! Move to the Southern republican States that have NO restrictions. They are for FREEDUMB AND FREEDOM!

When it hits there and they can't controll it without doing what our Governor has done, then you call them commies!

Steven Kellner
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:39am

I think it's rediculous to allow some things but not others when you limit goods to buy. Like why can't I buy flowers for my own garden? Why I can't I buy paint for my new drywall. Who is she to determine what is and isn't essential? Also it is widely considered a constitutional right to travel. Which she has no power to override. I understand the need to keep people safe and to abide by medical experts in these trying times. However, this governor since her Inauguration has repeatedly tried to step on the rights of Michigan's citizens. I find it unconscionable to tell people what they can and can't buy or sell. To tell them they can't go to a property that they own. And at the same time tell these same people drink all the booze and smoke all the cigarettes, and gamble all your money away on the state lottery that you want. This governor is the most inept person ever elected to the office. Who is constantly overstepping her boundaries of the office while at the same time bending the knee to her donors. I think we need to impeach this governor as soon as possible. She simply lacks the competency for the office, and is using this issue and other issues that have popped up, the vape thing that just happened for example, to line the pockets of her donors and to expand the powers of the state executive. It's sad to think that id rather have any Republican even than whitmer but I keep on having this feeling that this person is just another poisonous governor in a long line of poisonous governors for our state.

Anonymous
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:42am

How much are you willing to trade? Families cannot get together. Everyone seems to be fearful of something that might happen 3 weeks from now. What if I get infected? What if I infect someone else? I value the experiences of today, and the memories that I will make today. In general, I have very little free time. Sometimes I like to go and visit my mother, and I collect and treasure that memory. I am only 40, but she is the only parent or grandparent that I have left. If I need to go to the store for milk tomorrow, which is luckily still considered essential, and I am hit by someone who is "panic driving", and I die, will worrying about something that might happen in 3 weeks really have mattered? No, you will just say, wow that guy is really unlucky. Oh, and I will probably be logged as a covid death without any real testing.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:38am

Churches should not be exempt. They are not essential and often have older congregations that are more prone to getting a serious case of Covid.

LH
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:40am

Where do I start with this silliness? There is so much inconsistency and confusion, and a huge lack of (un)common sense in this most recent order. I'm an evangelical Christian, and I miss gathering together with my church family, but my church went to online-only services at the beginning of March. It was the right thing to do, and I would have no problem with including churches in the ban on large gatherings. There are so many options right now for us to worship; if your home church isn't set up to livestream services, there are many online services available to watch at your convenience. On the other hand, allowing lottery ticket sales to continue is insane! I rarely see anyone buy a lottery ticket and walk back out. They buy one, scratch it off to see if they've won, and if they have, cash it in to buy more and repeat the process. Meanwhile the people behind them in line are congregating, coughing, talking, whatever, and the poor clerk is certainly less than six feet from the purchaser. And not one single minute of this is "essential".

I can accept liquor stores being open, especially since bars are closed. Prohibition didn't work well 100 years ago, let's not go down that road again. But guns and ammo, really? Isn't spring turkey season coming up, or is that going to be canceled too? I do believe there are some constitutional issues here, plus the only logic I can see is to advance Whitmer's liberal agenda.

I know the greenhouses near me started their plants months ago, before any of us had any idea a pandemic was coming. It makes me sick to think of all that work going to waste, and knowing those businesses who have 6-8 weeks to generate a year's worth of revenue have little hope of even being able to open. Not to mention that growing some tomatoes and peppers in pots, or better yet, planting a garden if you have room, will not only provide some fresh food but keep people out of those dangerous grocery stores.

And now while I'm stuck at home, I can't catch up on those home improvement projects I've been putting off? No painting the living room, putting a new floor in the bathroom, etc. Even worse, those who have water in their basements or damage from ice and snow, or a leaky roof, etc., are stuck because fixing it isn't "essential"? Have we lost our collective minds?

Unfortunately, I believe we will see an uptick in domestic violence and child abuse. The fewer outlets people have for their energy and frustration, the more likely they are to take it out on each other. People aren't able to work, or are stuck working from home. Unemployment hasn't kicked in yet, bills are due, the kids are home trying to learn online, and folks can't go out in their boat, can't plant their flowerbeds, can't do home improvement projects -- oh well, at least they can't buy a gun! But we can all go buy lottery tickets.

Rocco
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 3:30am

Amen.
Well said LH.

Shaun
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:42am

So, even though gun stores ate actually open, many at the request of police departments as being told they sre essential, the federal government declaration that gun stores and ranges are essential, Whitmere decides to continue calling them non-essential.

Mark S
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:51am

Wow, lots of politicals radicals on here. This is a pandemic people. People are getting very sick and dying. Drastic measures are often needed. Tell the families of people dead or dying and the medical professionals facing infection everyday. Take your freedom to an island or stay in the middle of the woods in a cabin. You can study the Bible and pray deeping there.

VeeMann
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:26pm

Keep drinkin the koolaid there pal.
V

Brian
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 2:34pm

Mark S

If you believe our constitutional rights are politically radical may I suggest you move to a less “radical” country.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin

Farmer
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:28pm

Mark S, you seem to be gobbling up the lies like a good little peasant. That isn't going to work out well for you. Turn back now.

Brian
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 12:11pm

Perhaps Heir Governor is not aware but she does not have the legal authority to suspend the constitution of the United States. The order absolutely violates the First and Second amendments of the Constitution, thus Heir Governors order is illegal. The order by Heir Governor is ridiculous in the extreme and the exemptions are arbitrary. Notice that the state continues to permit lottery sales, I guess Heir Governor still wants her money.

Martin
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 1:26pm

I guess the Governor is really getting her name out there because she wants to run for vice president. She wants to be the state where nobody can do anything. Even though I fail to see why not being able to buy gardening stuff is bad. You want us to be outside but you won't let us buy stuff to do it. They can put down arrows like other stores and make the aisles one way. I guess we have to suffer for her political gain.

Liberty Flash
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 2:06pm

George Washington said it very well.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

Marni H.
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 2:29pm

I agree with almost everything she wants but I would make exceptions for garden supplies and emergency repair supplies. Some people count on their own gardens to feed themselves and there's only a certain amount of time to plant. Food plants and seeds should be allowed along with gardening supplies like pots and dirt. If someone has an emergency at home that disrupts their ability to live their lives safely, (say the only toilet breaks), they should be allowed to purchase supplies to fix it. Delivery services are expensive and some cannot afford to use them.

middle of the mit
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:02pm

[[[ Some people count on their own gardens to feed themselves and there's only a certain amount of time to plant.]]]

I am sorry but this is a pretty ridiculous statement.

Any family that grows enough to actually sustain themselves keep enough seed from their last harvest so they don't have to pay exorbitant markups for something they already have.

And I would bet if your toilet breaks, you could call a plumber or go to your nearest home improvement store and purchase a toilet or any part that you need.

Vince Caruso
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 4:03pm

How about collecting signatures to be on the ballot for the primary? Your walking and keeping 6' separation, and take hand sanitizer to offer to resident. Democracy is a critical service.
State should extend the deadline in this case or allow electronic signatures as other states have.

Gary
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 5:20pm

If Trump had listen to his intelligence in DEC 2019 North America would not be in this mess.His do nothing only worried about the stock market and himself cutting important health programs put US in this mess it's all on him!

Jimmy
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 6:27pm

Read the order in FULL before you panic. I am by far NO FAN of our Governor, I due understand her decision. I SAID UNDERSTAND! There are some who can't sit still, can't cover their mouth when they cough, won't cover up when they sneeze, think they are immune.
Hardware stores can sell items such as paint, seeds that the big boys can't but if you read they MUST LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES TO A PRECENTAGE OF WHAT THE FIRE CODE ALLOWS FOR THAT BUILDING. Hard to do at a big box store and we all know you don't just walk up and grap a gallon of paint and go.
So yes it does seem unfair on the surface but look a little deeper, read between the lines or read all the lines in the order. A good number of us have COMMON SENSE , this order is mostly for those with no sense in order to keep us all or as many of us alive as possible.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF YOU BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, SO I AM TUFF ENOUGH TO ENDURE A LITTLE INCONVENIENCE.

jan
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:27am

Sad-no one really gets it. Many have no will power or self control to get through something like this They would have to get the virus, or lose someone THEY care about. Like someone said about WWII, these people have no strength. Stay in your cozy house , watch TV, get on your computer. Be glad the air isn't poisoned, no bombs dropping, no Nazis at the door. Seriously, could be worse, and will go on if you don't wake up!

Bill Lincoln
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:41am

People are indeed different- some are willing to be slaves forever if it means barely living. Others are willing to fight for freedom, liberty, and property rights. I guess this virus is revealing those who want slaves from those who want freedom.

Brian
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 10:08am

Jimmy, have you heard of "food deserts". Not all Michiganders live in Souteast Michigan or the Golden Triangle in West Michigan. In many parts of the State box stores have put the hardware stores out of business and the only option to buy paint is at the bigger category killers! The point is what is good for one should be good for all.

Will
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:07pm

These orders seem more like a power-drunk tyrant throwing a tantrum than any honest attempt at keeping people safe. Recall time.

Shanmarie
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 9:57pm

I honestly do not know why any of you are upset. People and companies are willfully disobeying the order every which way. Yesterday, some lady carried on because she couldn't get pansies and people advused that they are protected under pursuit of happiness. Really? She finally found a nursery more than willing to wink and sell her the essential posies. She was soon topped by the whiner who could not a bounce castle for little Bobby's birthday party. I just learned they are Constitutionally protected. Seriously? Meanwhile, back at the hospital. Twelve hours to save one patient. Not enough supplies. Running out of N95 masks. Fourteen hour shifts. Doctors and nurses sleeping in cars and tents to protect their loved ones. Volunteers sewing masks to help the shortages. Flight attendants having to fly non essential vacation jaunts without medical masks. From all of this I propose a solution. Let's rotate the complainers with the medical heroes, so the disgruntled can experience an over crowded Covid unit and have more to complain about. I guess pansy buyers have Constitutional rights that supercede the well-being of overburdened hospitals and exhausted staff. The other approach is we all shut up. Work together for the greater good. Make the sacrifices. Kick virus butt. And start returning to normalcy. But I obviously do not know much because bounce house lady says I am stupid.

jan
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 8:57am

Exactly shanmarie! Only a few normal people here. This isn't about politics or control, it's about a virus that's killing people,and it's not the 'flu' It would be fine to have people take a chance, but you're infecting others! Selfish,thoughtless.I don't think they believe it. How many people with the flu end up on a ventilator? Do we run out of ventilators in flu season? Good chance you won't live once you're on one. If the churches aren't closed, that's not a man of God in charge. Maybe when those people that 'had' to gather for mass get sick, they can stay at the church and pray. As for lawn service,there better not be city fines for when it gets too long. But if you have a service because you're lazy or busy,mow your own lawn! Like I said before you can order many things, {if people stop hoarding!} like seeds!

Charles Sandberg
Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:41pm

If you are elderly or handicapped, and need your lawn cut, call Gov Whitmer.

Katy
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:53am

We live in a rural part of Michigan with only 3 CoVID-19 cases. My husband went to Home Depot to get fencing for our animals and was told it was “ nonessential .” But we live on a farm!

Robert Burroughs
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 1:14am

Glad I no longer live in Michigan. This governor obviously has fascistic tendencies.

Louis
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 1:41am

This is illegal and the government does not have the right to control the people. The people control the government!!!
We better stand up for our rights before it’s too late!!!

Peter
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 5:25am

And the people of Michigan allow this dictator to remain in power....wow. She must have read when atlas shrugged but believes in the communist side of it.

David
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 7:41am

If you look at the demographics it's Wayne Oakland and Macomb Co. That account for most of the cases. People in those counties(younger) defied the governor's edits. So now they are a little tougher. Stay the fu@$at home people.

Alyssa
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:31am

There's no reason at all for them to continue to sell fresh produce but not sell fresh plants or flowers.

A. Bellows
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:59am

As so many people are stuck at home what better thing to do than to improve the home? All home improvement stores should be fully open.

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 6:05am

Ohh the trappings of first world problems.....

Michelle
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 11:41am

What in the world is she thinking? Painting a room in the house or planting a garden might be exactly what someone needs to maintain sanity and/or sobriety. This is insane. Put an end to the insanity and give people some sense of normalcy.

Michelle
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 11:41am

What in the world is she thinking? Painting a room in the house or planting a garden might be exactly what someone needs to maintain sanity and/or sobriety. This is insane. Put an end to the insanity and give people some sense of normalcy.

Sherry Lepird
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:27pm

Whitmer has gone so far over violating rights it isn't funny! Her one goal is to become Biden's running mate so issuing these orders every day gets her face on national tv. My question is ...if she's doing such a great job why are we number 3 in the nation for deaths? Most restrictions..3rd number death. Maybe she should concentrate on helping Michign, not totally destroying the economy, and thinking of the people not her political future!

Russell
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 12:51pm

In Michigan it is considered essentials to purchase liquor, marijuana and lottery tickets ??? Please Give Me A Break that is inappropriate dosen't make any sense !!
Those three items are the most unimportant than anything else you could ever imagine. Just saying !!

Richard Kentaft
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 2:18pm

when are you people going to stand up to her for violating your Constitutional rights??

Flush
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 3:33pm

I graduated from a Michigan Highschool in 1976. Even back then I could see Michigan leaning left so I left the state and never looked back. Been paying my taxes to other states for the last 45 years. Until the people in Michigan vote these libs out of office they will continue their downhill slide and deserve what they get.

Jennifer Wyman
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 4:14pm

I understand that this was probably an oversight in this article but stores under 50,000 sq feet are not allowed to sell items that are not necessary to protect or sustain life under the current executive order. It is in section 5(b). I do not agree with this and, in fact, disagree with other parts of the order. My opinions aside, I felt it was necessary to point this out.

Tony Jordan
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 6:06pm

So when you are elected governor of Michigan do you get a set of jackboots automatically or do they come in the mail later?

Jen
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 8:23pm

That's okay. I'll just go store to store until I find what I need.

J K Johnson
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:00pm

This is pure Communism , liquor stores are flowing , lotto tickets selling , and you can't buy paint to make your front door look better , leave it up to a woman governor to come up with some kind of power grab , I guess it makes her feel real important to keep,people from buying a can of paint !

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 11:20pm

I know you have the internet, how else did you post your comment?

Can't find paint on the interwebs or your local hardware store?

That almost seems, dishonest.

And I know that because communism is the absence of personal property.

Has any Government official taken your property......short of taking it to build a fence on the border, or for a pipeline.....with eminent domain?

Tom T
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:01pm

Lottery sales are probably the most intimate transaction done in the stores. Lottery sales can only be done in cash. Require a lot of interaction between the cashier and buyer. Are usually done in small stores which are the only stores located in poor neighborhoods. Lottery sales usually require a lot of time to transact leading to long exposure rates with customers. Are done by people who are addicted lottery players and will ignore their symptoms to play. If you want to contact trace, trace the people getting sick in Detroit and identify the common vectors. I bet small liquor and party stores are common in the picture. Why isn't Whitmer banning lottery sales? They maybe the biggest reason why the cases in Detroit and Wayne county are exploding. Is there anybody in the news media who will put aside their partisanship and start saving lives? Hold Whitmer responsible and close the lottery.

middle of the mit
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 11:13pm

[[[[Lottery sales are probably the most intimate transaction done in the stores. Lottery sales can only be done in cash. Require a lot of interaction between the cashier and buyer.]]]

You have apparently never seen people drool over guns at a gun store, have ya?

Siggy
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:28pm

We had our traditional easter dinner with almost twenty family members and a dozen friends. Our neighbors know better than to go all nazi germany on us and snitch and even if they did, there isn't really anything the cops could have done about it anyway since we would not have permitted them on the property. It was a great time, I hope that many other families experienced the same. Some of us drove from Chicago for the dinner! Take that, stasi pigs!

jan
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 2:43pm

There are fines for gathering now. Will you come back and tell us how many people got sick? Just for statistical purposes.

Average guy
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 9:59pm

I'm not sure what all the trouble is with her orders? I think its great that she limited travel. Now that the car accidents are so low i hope she will keep keep travel limited. Even if it isn't you that gets hurt in an accident it could be someone else. And not going to work that isn't essential? I hope that continues too, maybe even includes essential business too. With all the workplace accidents that take place every year, how could we ever go back? I say she didn't go far enough. Why ever be allowed to mow your lawn again? How many people have heat strokes or heart attacks doing lawn maintenance? Stop them all. Ban lawn care all together. I once slipped on the ice while shoveling snow. Shoukd be banned. I can't believe I was allowed out of my house in the winter. And what about about summer? With all that sun? Ban that too! No more outside because of sun burns and uv exposure. How could we ever be allowed to go to restaurant again? People choke, they could get food poisoning, car accident on the way, what if they eat too much and become fat? We can't have that people. It all sounds ridiculous but so does completely closing things down like this based on no real numbers. The tests are from a long time ago, the models were all wrong. Terribly wrong. Maybe we affected that but we also may not have effected that either. With all the wide ranging models with wildly varying numbers i don't know of any that we have actually hit. We are basing an awful lot of restrictions on what might happen vs what is happening. I know its scary to think of the virus. Its scary for the children stuck at home with an abuser who doesn't get to work and is able to buy all the alcohol and pot he wants. Its scary for the people who don't know if their industry can survive a depression. I know mine can not. I know its scary for the family that can't get things they need let alone want. I know its scary for all the autistic children that thrive on schedules. Its scary for parents that wonder about what missing this much school will mean for their children. I know its scary for the elderly who are not being seen out of fear of this virus. I know it's scary for the people who broke a crown and can't get into the dentist because yours shut down for this and no other ones are accepting new patients.

Dawn Perreca
Sun, 04/12/2020 - 10:54pm

Heil Whitmer!

Maureen
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 7:41am

Can you go buy lumber for a home project right now?

Not a Democrate
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 8:16am

This is all about the Governor wanting to be VP with Biden so she is practicing her Socialism on Michigan so she can force it on America if she gets running mate with Biden. Which will not happen. She has cause so much chaos in Michigan that the people that voted for her will not make the same mistake twice. I understand shutting down non essteinal business but she crossed the line and lost a ton of respect from the people of Michigan. She still has her troll dolls saying good job Governor, but those people are used to being told what to do when to do and how to do it. They are told to go to their rooms and they just do it. They would not know how to live if someone was not telling them what when and how to do it. Governor was doing really good and she was gaining trust ...up until April 10, 2020. The floor dropped out from under her. People just do not trust her anymore. She keeps wavering on her orders and counter-dicks herself. She cannot run a state. She changes her mind too much and now she cannot repair what she has done. Their is no trust or respect, except her trolls...

Mike
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 9:02am

Just to be clear, the EO does not exempt places of worship, it merely says that they are not subject to a misdemeanor violation.
This puts churches in a difficult position..."are we violating the order and not being penalized, or are we not violating the order at all?" As I read the language, churches could be in violation of the order but are not subject to a criminal misdemeanor charge.

Fred
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 12:53pm

This woman is out of control.
Cast her as the queen in "Alice in Wonderland"

jan
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 3:10pm

At first I thought not having the lawn service was awful. But think about it. You don't have to mow your lawn. {I don't mean everyone that can of course} If you have the service, and you really can't mow, they'll take care of it when this is over, whether they need scythes or whatever. It's annoying to look at, but relax. Again, should have exemptions from noxious weeds fines if this is the case.

Wally Franks
Sun, 05/24/2020 - 9:17pm

Get a goat to mow your lawn

Conspiracy Theory
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 6:23pm

Which demographic goes to church? Mainly the demographic that votes conservative. Perhaps Whitmer is secretly hoping they catch COVID-19 before November.

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 6:14am

The only reason that Churches are exempt is because of republicans. And Churches are mostly following the law. Bzzzzt you lose!

And if it is a fake democrat hoax, what do you have to fear?

The only thing I can you see fearing is trying to keep your lies in context.

SJH
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 6:45pm

Covid 19 affected Michigan faster because the governor delayed closing businesses and schools like other states were doing. We watched it unfold.

Jeff
Mon, 04/13/2020 - 10:57pm

As of right now I can go online and buy anything I want on Amazon and the next day someone will get in a delivery van and drive it to my house. Whats the difference whether I drive to Amazon and get it or they bring it to me . If the idea of not being allowed to buy certain items applies to big box stores why can Amazon sell anything they want including paint? What if stores like Meijers and Walmart just decide if we cant sell all our stores merchandise its not worth exposing our employees to the possibility of getting sick and close till further notice what would we do? Would Whitmer demand them to open?

Brian Lauscher
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 12:43pm

This ban is a joke, especially for the U.P. We have about 50 cases U.P. wide. yet she has us shut down, can't go fishing in my boat or go for a motorcycle ride BY MYSELF.
She is going to choke herself with her superhero cape. The world doesn't want to be saved, Whitler.

Jim
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 2:58pm

Really now, how can operating a motorized boat be more dangerous than paddling a canoe or kayak? The order also say that no more than one person can be in said kayak or canoe unless it us another family member. Geez, my Son lives two blocks from me but her cannot travel to my house to ride with me to go kayaking in the same kayak. What college educated lunatic thought up this part of the order?

middle of the mit
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 6:20am

Uhh a canoe or kayak doesn't require a dock! Do you know what people do when they launch a boat from a dock? They touch the dock. And that can transmit to everyone else that touches the same dock.

When are you going to tell me how viruses transmit? Oh so knowledgeable one?

Steven Rumfelt
Tue, 04/14/2020 - 5:46pm

ur a power hungry, old woman

Chitta Gangopadhyay
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 9:24am

Do husband and wife living at home and not going out at all for many weeks have to observe social distancing?

Robert Miller
Wed, 04/15/2020 - 2:19pm

This woman has an ego issue and needs to be kicked out now.
I live in PA and we have more cases than Michigan and Wolfs mandate isn't anywhere near as crazy as woman.

I support sheltering but not to this extreme. I think some of Wolf's edict are extreme.

Wendy
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 7:21am

I understand people wanting clarification but why are people so selfish? This is the most serious, worldwide emergency to happen in my lifetime. I'm 56, this age group missed WWII with black outs and rationing. Cherish your free speech but how about help keep people safe and maybe make real suggestions instead of calling names, demanding your rights etc. Do you really need to buy seeds in snowy April while people die?

Brian DelPapa
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 9:02am

I have a second home up north that had a water break during the winter. Since, in her infinite wisdom with her travel ban. Is the governor going to help me pay for the damages that are still happening. Do you think she will help me foot the bill or will i get the same old excuse we are working on it. She hurt the small business's during last hunting season with her bating ban. Now she double down and hurt them again.

Bill H
Thu, 04/16/2020 - 9:48pm

You CAN buy paint, just at smaller stores like Ace. This article is harmfully deceptive, hopefully unintentionally.

Pamela Poag
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 8:32am

Can you or can you not buy a flag in Michigan right now?

Elsie G
Sat, 04/18/2020 - 8:18pm

Wow, There are a lot of males that have mommy issues and have trouble with women in authority positions. "You can't tell me what to do. I am the boss of me". Seriously, other states have the same or similar restrictions. The complaints that "she" arbitrarily decides what is essential, well, Florida Governor decided wresting is an essential service. So give it a rest. Your state is still on the upswing of infections, and won't stop until people take a pause and shelter in home. You are so busy fighting against being "told" what to do, you cannot see it is in your long term best interest to do so. You are fighting against being told not to run after the ball into a busy street. Grow up.

A Yooper
Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:02am

I guess you can't inform ignoramuses via any media outlet.
Stay the Hell home unless you need food, medicines, etc.

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