Maybe it’s time to rethink allowing guns in Michigan Capitol, officials say

An armed protester outside the Michigan Capitol on April 30. (Bridge photo by Jonathan Oosting)

LANSING— It happens at least once a year at the Michigan Capitol: Armed demonstrators openly carry firearms into the historic building and watch the Legislature from galleries overlooking the state House and Senate chambers. 

There are no metal detectors, no weapon checks and no policy to prohibit loaded weapons.

But longtime observers say the scene that unfolded Thursday at the Michigan Capitol — where riled protesters armed with rifles heckled lawmakers from the spectator gallery and shouted at police, garnering national attention — was far different than annual Second Amendment rallies, where gun activists celebrate their rights. 

And its prompting renewed debate over whether new policies are warranted. 

 

Some demonstrators who carried assault-style rifles into the Capitol during a protest over Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order were identified by organizers as militia members, a civilian military force acting as a “security detail” for the protesters.  

One reporter said she was “slammed in the head” by a rifle while attempting to cover the chaos, and multiple lawmakers said armed demonstrators shouted at them from the Senate gallery as they worked below and awaited GOP legislation to authorize legal action challenging Whitmer’s emergency authority.

 

Sen. Sylvia Santana, D-Detroit, said the scene made her so “fearful” she wore a bulletproof vest at her desk. “It makes the work environment very, just, temperamental when you’re trying to work with colleagues on both sides of the aisle,” she told Bridge Magazine Friday.

While there was no physical violence, and most of the hundreds of demonstrators were not armed, at least one protester held a sign encouraging violence against Whitmer: “Tyrants Get The Rope.” Another brought a Confederate flag outside the Capitol in apparent ode to the Civil War. 

Whitmer called the protest “disturbing.”

Senate Majority Leader MIke Shirkey, a Second Amendment champion who has encouraged demonstrations against the governor, on Friday denounced some among the protesters as “a bunch of jackasses.”

“Many protested safely and responsibly, and I respect and appreciate their efforts,” Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said in a statement. “Several other so-called protestors, used intimidation and the threat of physical harm to stir up fear and feed rancor. I condemn their behavior and denounce their tactics.”

Michigan is among a handful of state capitols with no rules prohibiting firearms or requiring visitors to pass through metal detectors. Visitors are, however, banned from bringing signs or posters inside, a policy ostensibly designed to prevent damage to walls of the historic building. 

It’s been that way for as long as John Lindstrom can remember. 

The recently retired publisher of the Gongwer subscription newsletter, a journalist who spent 42 years covering the Capitol, recalls only a handful of instances where stronger regulations were temporarily put in place.

“You can't carry a gun into a courthouse, you can’t even carry a phone into a courthouse, and yet we are literally operating with people hovering over us with their weapons.” — Sen. Jeremy Moss, D-Southfield

In 1999, for instance, House Republican leadership installed a metal detector outside the gallery amid protests over Republican Gov. John Engler’s plan to take over struggling public schools in Detroit. 

“It was mostly protesters from the city, and there were a lot of objections to that,” Lindstrom said, referencing the predominantly African-American city. “A lot of (protesters) were very upset and argued they were being discriminated against, treated badly, because they were forced to go through a metal detector.”

There were no similar safeguards when an overwhelmingly white group of  protestors rushed into the Capitol on Thursday. 

In late 2012, Michigan State Police closed the entire Capitol building to visitors amid a massive protest over controversial right to work legislation after arresting eight people who they said attempted to push past troopers and rush the Senate floor.

The longstanding ban on signs, which sparked free speech complaints, may date back to the 1980s, when someone in a union protest over workers compensation changes damaged a painting of former Gov. Kim Sigler, according to Linstrom. 

“An awful lot of states have put restrictions on how people can get into their capitols and what they can bring in with them,” Lindstrom said. “But Michigan is one of the few that is basically still a wide open building.”

The Michigan Capitol Commission writes rules for visitors to the building but has not adopted any regulations on firearms, citing Constitutional guarantees. The makeup of the commission is largely decided by legislative leaders, currently Republicans, who effectively appoint four of six members.

“We have been following the statutes,” said Michigan Capitol Commissioner John Truscott, who served as press secretary to GOP Gov. Engler. He noted there are not any laws prohibiting firearms at the building. 

But Truscott acknowledged commissioners are reviewing open-carry laws and discussing whether regulations at the Capitol are in order. 

“With this being thrust in the national spotlight, it's raising a lot of questions,” he told Bridge Magazine. 

Metal detectors have been used during presidential visits in the past, Truscott said. Then-President Bill Clinton, for instance, spoke at the building in the 1990s, and the Secret Service implemented several strict security measures at the time.

But in general, “our goal has been to keep the building as open as possible to the public,” he said. 

In recent years, Democrats have proposed banning guns in the Capitol, but they have had no luck as the minority party in both the House and Senate since 2010. 

Sen. Jeremy Moss, D-Southfield, said he hopes this week’s scene at the Michigan Capitol will renew interest in legislation he has sponsored with Rep. Robert Wittenberg, D-Huntington Woods, that would prohibit guns in the Capitol but allow signs. 

Armed demonstrators shouting at lawmakers from the Senate gallery Thursday had a clear motive, he said: “It was intimidation.”

“I don't even think they knew who they were yelling at,” Moss said, noting the Senate went in and out of recess several times as GOP leaders worked on legislation attempting to limit the governor’s emergency authority.  “They were heckling Democrats because they knew what our position was, but they were also calling the Republicans spineless for delaying the action.”

While he waited for Republicans to begin voting, Moss said his social media feeds were flooded with questions from users across the country wondering about the armed protesters. 

“How can this happen?” they asked, according to Moss. “You can't carry a gun into a courthouse, you can’t even carry a phone into a courthouse, and yet we are literally operating with people hovering over us with their weapons.”

Tom Lambert, legislative director for Michigan Open Carry Inc., has lobbied lawmakers against limiting guns at the state Capitol and said it would be a mistake to change rules even if some legislators felt “threatened” this week. 

“If that's the standard we're going to use for things, where does that stop?” he said. “Do we limit constitutionally protected assembly based on a subjective fear, especially one where no one has ever been harmed? I get there's the possibility out there. But we don't take these big steps based on possibilities.”

From pictures he saw from Thursday’s protest, Lambert said the armed protesters did not appear to “brandish” their weapons, according to state law, which defines brandishing as pointing, waiving or displaying a firearm “in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear in a reasonable person.”

“Simply displaying a firearm, simply carrying a firearm is not intended to cause fear,” Lambert said. 

Santana said she was afraid Thursday, and not just because of the armed protesters. 

She was already on edge after watching demonstrators at a previous April rally waive Confederate flags, invoking memories of legal slavery, and angry that a Republican Senate colleague had worn what appeared to be a Confederate-print facemask on the floor the week before. 

Santana introduced legislation this week that would prohibit Confederate flag displays on Michigan Capitol property and said she also thinks it’s time to “revisit” building firearm rules.

“There was no way that I was going to come and do the business of the day and work in a bipartisan fashion with the fear of somebody having the ability to shoot,” she said.

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Duh
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:40pm

First we have elections without gerrymandering. Then Michigan citizens will implement reasonable gun legislation.

Jeffrey Kless
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:29am

If you want guns out of the Capital and off the grounds bring back the Black Panthers

Eyes Roll
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:39am

Hence the confederate flag and references to lynching the governor? I see. This pandemic brought out your twisted insecurities about a race war because of all your underlying guilt. Hey Jeff, there was like one black guy at your bromance party and he didn't have a gun.

"Years of unarmed African Americans being killed by police after being presumed as a threat makes the imagery of dozens of white people carrying guns and screaming in the face of cops reek of white privilege. Many reflect on how the Black Panthers were crystallized in history and compare it to incidents like these, where even the President of the United States sides with the protestors over and against elected officials, and ask “How could it be anything else?”

Only in America."

https://thegrio.com/2020/05/01/black-panthers-twitter-white-privilege-mi...

Jeff
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:43am

Even though the group had split, the unprovoked killings of innocent people in the 70's with the more violent faction never helped their cause.

No Red Herring
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 3:12pm

50 years ago? Okay still living your glory days. I see.

Baffled
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:33pm

It's weird how the GOP (I think in 2013) banned free speech protest signs in the capitol building for fear of damaging the walls, but doesn't think assault weapons may cause even more damage or potential assasinations.

Kathi Geukes
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 10:24am

Because they want the fools who want to play bad ass to take out the people who won't vote for them.....which is one reason why they will be the endangered political party in the years to come!!

Jeffrey Kless
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 1:05pm

I wasn't at all saying that. If you recall when the Black Panters went into the California Capital armed the legislature immediately passed a bill making it illegal.
Whites with guns is ok but blacks with guns in the Capital isn't .
.

.

Jim Kat
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 6:32am

To.... eyes roll,... you missed Jeff's point by a mile. Your bromance comment was quite ignorant I'll guess. The black panthers did the open carry and as Jeff Kless explained the legislature changed the law in a day or so in California. The State of Michigan allowed these open carry whites folks into the building, if they were black maybe things would be the same or different? It is sad we allow any damned fools with guns in the House, except cops/State police. With as many wackos out there in our State is is just a matter of time for something to happen. If they want to carry muskets long rifles unloaded for appearance ok. But assault rifles, that Canada just banned because they are obviously smarter than the USA. I think regulation would be smart even for the Trump party of divisiveness. Citizens should feel safe in our capitol. What do guns have to do with Covid-19? Please, do not tell me about your freakin militia rights to bear arms unless you mean muskets or guns of that day.

To Jeff Classless
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 3:13pm

Like to change subjects when you feel the heat of a weak argument?

GOP Hypocrites!
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:53pm

"In 1999, when Detroiters protested the plan of then-Gov. John Engler, a Republican, to take over struggling public schools in Detroit at the state Capitol, metal detectors were installed outside the gallery." Detroit News

suppresst
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:21pm

that's why the policy was changed to not allow metal detectors

No one
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 5:14pm

" Then Michigan citizens will implement reasonable gun legislation."

You mean, once again, SE Michigan dictates their will upon the rest of us.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:10am

I think you mean majority of voters wherever they are.

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 8:53pm

Duh,
In case you aren't aware, trying to ban and confiscate weapons from citizens will result in mass bloodshed. A majority of those who believe in the 2nd amendment are ready to die for it. Are you ready to die for what you believe in? Think about that for a second.
Let's not go there.
We don't need a war.
We need to recover from the damage these communists have done to our economy with this shutdown nonsense.

Kazoo86
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 9:28am

Well.....Perhaps the capital police should sandbag the entrances, armed with 50cal. , RPG’s, and National Guard armoires vehicles. However they would still be outgunned by the population.

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:46pm

Kazoo86,
Are you saying that the state police should start executing people?
Have you ever heard of Tienanmen square?

GOP sideshow
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 1:47pm

Yep, that's what the protesters looked like in their military garb. They looked like revolutionaries looking to install a militarized Chinese style government. Shirkey, Chatfield, Horn, Hannity and countless others in the GOP denounced the assault weapon-toting protesters as "jackasses" undermining the cause.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:23am

Revere, violence in the heart, anger, pride, all are sins. Nothing can stop that, but God. Repent.

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:48pm

Anonymous,
Have you heard of 1776?
What exactly was that to you? Violence in the heart, anger, pride?
Have you ever heard of standing up for what is right?
How do you feel about the Republic?
Don't hide behind your religion to avoid admitting that you're just scared to do the right thing.
Maybe you should move to china and see how that religion serves you.

Think!
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:44pm

The courts wrongly decide 2nd Amendment has no restrictions, but you can't bring your gun into court, any court, least of all the Supreme Court. Hypocrites!!

Outrageous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:59am

Excellent points. Why do the courts not allow open carry, if you can do so everywhere else?

Ashamed
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 1:06am

I agree totally! Michigan looked like a Third World country!

Cameo
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 7:49am

It is ludicrous. The behaviour of the militia does.not speak for the majority of michigan residents. That is ridiculous threatening the state police and people in their job site. The governor is the problem not fellow michigan residents . Deal with her in court hit her where it hurts......financially.

LOL
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:13am

Only thing is that she will win and the plaintiffs will have to pay the costs.

Jackie
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 1:03am

The only point of open carry is intimidation!
If you can’t articulate your argument w/o carrying a gun, you haven’t an argument !

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 8:54pm

Jackie,
You clueless communist,
Move to china. You don't belong here. You're just going to get deported if we have a civil war, you might as well get a head start.

Annoyed
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 12:22pm

Listen Revere - just because people have a different view than yours does not make them a communist. Stop spouting off unless you have something constructive to say.

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:49pm

Triggered! You'd better get in a freezer before you melt!

Why?
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:46pm

Why aren't guns allowed in the WH, the US Capitol? What does the government fear that we should not?

Logical
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:07am

Yeah, why is there a fence around the White House and security at any government buildings? Shouldn't we just let people open carry everywhere or rely on militias to provide security? Short answer: Security is needed because people like these protesters are nuts.

How are these "patriots" spitting on people in a pandemic different from other terrorists? Short answer: No difference.

PJR
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:14am

Thank you, most logical comment made on this post.

Done with GOP
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:48pm

"Michigan is among a handful of state capitols with no rules prohibiting firearms or requiring visitors to pass through metal detectors. Visitors are, however, banned from bringing signs or posters inside, a policy ostensibly designed to prevent damage to walls of the historic building." 2nd Amendment trumps the 1st Amendment.

No fears an AK47 will harm a historic building. LOL

Anonymous
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:50pm

“Tyrants Get The Rope.” Another brought a Confederate flag. Hmmm sounds like a lynching theme.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:49am

I don't know- can you name any tyrants that were lynched?

Wondering
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:15am

Was that your sign to incite violence?

Marvin
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 5:29am

Mussolini

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:38am

The man who inspires Trump

Disgusted
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 6:53pm

“Many protested safely and responsibly, and I respect and appreciate their efforts,” Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said in a statement. “Several other so-called protestors, used intimidation and the threat of physical harm to stir up fear and feed rancor. I condemn their behavior and denounce their tactics.” Chatfield expressed similar displeasure with the lunatics.

Finally these two enablers are starting to show some responsible leadership. Let's hope it continues before someone is killed by the mobs.

Midwest
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 7:15pm

Michigan has a long history of racism and bigotry, rioting, redlining, etc. and even just a lot of ethnic joking in poor taste. That's what I remember growing up, but most people have evolved and learned that we are all children of God. It seems the internet made most smarter, more enlightened and others dumber, more narrow-minded. It's sad.

I try to teach my children the difference between right and wrong. I teach them that "GOD IS LOVE". I teach them that it's good to work hard and make a lot of money or what you need. I teach them to be kind and compassionate to others. I take time with them and we volunteer together. I teach them it's wrong to hate and to kill. I tell them to be humane with animals and to never enslave people. I teach them that everyone deserves a fair wage for their work. I teach them that God created this beautiful planet for us and our posterity to love and protect. I teach them that people should not have to choose between food and medicine, that if they get sick they should get treatment without losing their home and all their life savings.

For all these reasons I can't subscribe to Republican or Libertarian ideologies.

I'm sure I'll hear all the usual names that I'm a communist or socialist, but I like most people today don't care about labels. I'm just me and a lot of values are rooted in Christianity, as I know it, the Gospel.

For me the root of all evil is greed and some people will place that greed before anything else.

I don't know where the people with the gun obsessions get their values. It's clearly a mental illness based on very unhealthy fear of the unknown. Is it a fear of death?

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:28pm

You do realize that throughout the long history that you cite that it was the Republican Party the whole time fighting racism and discrimination? From fighting the Democrats in the Civil War to voting for the Civil Rights Act over Democratic opposition to Trump’s efforts that led to historic gains for blacks- the whole time the GOP has been fighting against the Democrats for equality and freedom.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:57pm

You mean Dixiecrats, any of the Southern Democrats who seceded from the party in 1948 in opposition to its policy of extending civil rights. Those are the GOP of today, not Lincoln's GOP. Lincoln would not recognize the GOP today, the party that embraces the confederate flag, the party of Trump?

Ben Martin
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 12:55pm

Exactly!

Rick Raisen
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:20pm

Nice try. The Dixiecrats were led by Leander Perez, John Sparkman, and Fielding L. Wright- all of whom returned to the Democratic Party after the party died. Strom Thurmond also was a leader and he did migrate to the GOP. But studies showed the voters who voted Dixiecrat voted Democrat after that party disbanded, so they did not "secede from the party in 1948". The GOP was founded in Lincoln's day to oppose slavery and oppose polygamy- today the GOP continues to support those ideas. The GOP under Lincoln believed in infrastructure programs, strong borders, and strong national defense- and so does the GOP today.

Look, you can say whatever sorts of lies you want and repeat them as loud as you want, but the GOP's platform from Lincoln's time period is found online and there platform from today is also available, and people can read these things themselves and see the similarities easily. If your only example of how the GOP is evil is that some supporters fly the old Confederate battle flag (which was carried into war by Democrats), then you don't really have a strong argument.

David Waymire
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 5:22pm

No, those were conservatives. The same folks who opposed civil rights for people of color still oppose them for lgbtq individuals. For the same fearful and ignorant reasons.

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 8:56pm

Midwest, correction:
DEMOCRATS have a long history of racism and bigotry, rioting, redlining, etc.
If Lincoln were alive today, which side do you think he would be on?
Think, McFly, THINK!

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:50pm

LOL - Tries to make a point - Links to facebook
I'll bet you go to snopes every time you need to know if something is true or not, too.
Communist. We'll send you to china too. You'll love it there - They will give you state-approved links for everything!

Kevin Grand
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 7:29pm

"While there was no physical violence, and most of the hundreds of demonstrators were not armed, at least one protester held a sign encouraging violence against Whitmer: “Tyrants Get The Rope.” Another brought a Confederate flag outside the Capitol in apparent ode to the Civil War. "

How soon people have forgotten this quote: "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

Now, that's an awkward position for someone like Mr. Oosting to be in, after writing this piece.

dp
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:35am

No.
Mr. Oosting merely reported what he saw. He didn't infringe on anyone's ability to do likewise. We have no way of knowing if he disagrees with that quote. Even if he did, how would that put him in an awkward position? He's under no compulsion to agree with Noam Chomsky. It's a good quote. Don't abuse it.

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:15pm

Hey Kevin, "don't shoot the messenger!" You sound like snowflake Trump berating journalists for asking "nasty" questions, calling them all "fake news." It isn't fake just because you don't want to hear the truth.

zooman
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:52am

Kevin, you miss the point here. No one is saying that there is any constitutional problem with the signs displayed outside the capitol. What is ironic is that those signs -- any signs -- are prohibited inside the capitol.
The First Amendment applies to comments about the signs' messages. Their messages on those signs tell us something about the people carrying them.
Finally, the idea that there is somehow a constitutional right to "bear arms" in the capitol is one no court has ever recognized.

Irony
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:03pm

Zooman, that's the GOP way. Ban free speech; embrace and incite a terrorist coup.

Kevin Grand
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 7:34am

zooman, this may come as a shock to you, but I never saw a problem with people carrying a sign into the Capitol.

You have Sergeants-at Arms, you have MSP and you have more security cameras throughout the entire building than around a checkout lane at a grocery store. As long as they aren't being destructive, where's the problem?

Second, let me refer you to the Michigan Constitution, Article 1 § 6

"Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state."

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(353tvlitc2lhohhjafnrr5io))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Article-I-6.pdf

There is absolutely no "need" for any court to recognize anything. It's meaning is clear as day.

David Waymire
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 5:24pm

Kevin, why don’t you spend more time advocating for open carry inside a Trump rally?

Kevin Grand
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:36pm

Because the last time I checked, the Secret Service wasn't taking suggestions from the general public in that area..

And also last I checked, the people inside of the Capitol Building work for me.

If there are people who don't like their working conditions (the firearms policy has been common knowledge for years), nothing is preventing them from tendering their resignation.

No hoplophobes need apply afterwards.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:32am

There was plenty of open carry at Obama rallies. Why are Trump rallies different? And if this is just seasonal flu, why did Trump stop his rallies?

Grow UP, kevy!
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 1:29pm

PHOENIX, Arizona -- A man toting an assault rifle was among a dozen protesters carrying weapons while demonstrating outside President Obama's speech to veterans on Monday, but no laws were broken. It was the second instance in recent days in which weapons have been seen near presidential events. Aug 17, 2009 Google it. You might not have been born at the time.

Why did Trump ever stop his rallies? As far as starting them again, "we'll see". LOL Trump breaks his vows often and his words never match his actions.

Kevin Grand
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 8:55pm

"demonstrating outside"???

SMH.

David Waymire
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 5:24pm

Kevin, why don’t you spend more time advocating for open carry inside a Trump rally?

John Chastain
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:31am

“Simply displaying a firearm, simply carrying a firearm is not intended to cause fear,” Lambert said. In what alternate universe does carrying a gun not meant to “cause fear”? In the same one that equates speech and protest with aggression and intimidation. The freedom of expression exists for “the people we despise” as well as for ourselves. That doesn’t include the open carrying of weapons while engaging in “the freedom of expression”. The guns aren’t there for “security” the guns are there to inspire terror and intimidate people. You know who uses weapons and aggression to affect politics and create fear within civil society right? Yeah that would be “terrorists”. But no “physical violence” happened so no harm no foul eh? The militias and their fellow travelers know that the actual use of their weapons is counterproductive and diminishes their effectiveness. The point of terrorism isn’t killing people, it’s affecting change through aggression and intimidation. If you have political power on your side then the threat is enough. Besides every time one of their own acts out violently the republicans work to separate them from their fellows and block any consequences for the organizations that nurtured them.

Elsie A. Owings
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:54am

Thank you for your excellent comment. In reply to your question, "In what alternate universe is carrying a gun not meant to cause fear?" I say, in a universe controlled by the gun lobby (which is actually controlled by gun manufacturers and sellers) and the people in whom they intentionally instill fear. And that, unfortunately, describes Michigan.

Dot the i
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:20am

Yes, but you forgot to mention that the NRA is bought and paid for by Russians, our foreign enemies.

Bernie
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:28pm

Don't forget Russia funneled money through the NRA, to help Trump

Kevin Grand
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:14am

"In what alternate universe does carrying a gun not meant to “cause fear”? "

Um, in every range across America.

No one in the media wants to ask this question, so here is the question they are afraid to ask; Why would people want to bring firearms to a peaceful protest?

How soon progressives forget their own actions!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/demonstrators-clash-portland-oregon...

https://www.independentsentinel.com/antifa-lob-balloons-filled-feces-uri...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/02/black-bloc...

Remind me again, Mr. Chastain how often did these actions occur last week in Lansing?

Coincidence?

I think not.

Kevin Grand
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 12:12pm

Please remind me; How many elected officials were murdered last Thursday?

Naturally, you'll easily be able to provide a link for this.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 1:54pm

How many infected people, including elected officials, with covid? No one knows for sure. It will take a couple weeks to see and we don't have a lot in the way of contact tracing, but we might. We hope the guns are not just a charade to hide their real intent of possible bioterrorism. It's strange that people would gather without masks during a pandemic. As many people posted, it seems this is more about intimidation rather than overt murder, like the mobs do. It's more about threatening legislators to pass laws they like, rather than killing them outright.

Kevin Grand
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 9:03pm

The outcome of last weeks vote was decided long before the doors were even open to the public.

Nice try.

10x25mm
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 9:30pm

Governor Whitmer and her supporters have not even bothered to fabricate an astroturf response to the broadening resistance. They have instead chosen to ridicule and slur that resistance, through the very same political vehicles/operatives which got Michigan's current regime elected in 2018.

This hasn't been well received by the resistance and sets up an ugly game of political hardball. Governor Whitmer and her operatives can probably force changes in the optics of the resistance, but such measures will only deepen the current fury.

Ultimately, Governor Whitmer has to accept that she cannot use COVID-19 executive orders to punish refractory Michigan residents for rejecting her 45 cent gas tax increase in 2019.

Sure Thing, Buddy
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:37am

You all would rather reopen the country and kill hundreds of thousands instead of demanding a temporary rent/mortgage freeze and UBI until we're in the clear?

You're simping so hard for capitalism that you're protesting to let your me-maw and pee-paw and all your compromised friends (of which there are many, judging by the photos from the clown show) die so you can return to your dead end job like some beta slave for the oligarchs.

"Small unit" tactics indeed.

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:37am

Thanks for your comments. I too noticed a lot of underlying conditions in the photos.

Matt
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:46am

The words of a person who's income is from the government.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:37am

Yeah, small business loan.

dp
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:46am

You see shuttering the economy as a response to opponents of the road tax? Did the impact of this policy selectively affect only road tax opponents? Did the executive orders enhance her ability to fix the roads? Did they improve the chances of getting a road tax through? Did they make her new friends among her opposition? Yeah, I'll bet she is secretly happy that a global pandemic gives an excuse to beat up on people for not supporting a tax increase to fix the roads.

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:24am

Sometimes I think these knuckleheads use the comment section here to test their crazy ideas and flawed logic; sometimes I think they just repost GOP talking points without a second thought. In either case, they don't seem too bright.

10x25mm
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:33am

What part of the current impasse looks like the Governor trying to "make ... new friends among her opposition?" She refuses to negotiate for a reason. Michigan's small businesses and independents led the charge against the 45 cent gas tax in 2019 and they will not be allowed to frustrate our Governor ever again. The COVID-19 executive orders will suck the economic life out of them and break their political resistance.

The Governor made it crystal clear at her Thursday (7 PM, April 30th) virtual town hall that a new round of taxes will be imposed. She will only take her shoes off our throats after we submit to new taxes.

Mary Fox
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 5:07pm

Making friends isnt her job. These are the same Republicans who change the law MI CHIGAN VOTED INTO LAW to provide workers sick days. better working conditions and fair pay. They care nothing about the public welfare

Sarah M
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:16pm

Or any human life outside of the womb, unless it was feed with a silver spoon.

Paul Jordan
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:25am

You remind me of when I was a boy, back in the 50s, and my buddies and I would re-fight the war in the Pacific in each others' basements.
I was 10 years old at the time. What's your excuse, 10X25?

Vince Caruso
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 9:46pm

Whoever thought this was a good idea?
No guns on grounds let alone in the building!
Metal detectors and security personal will allow the elected officials do the public business in an orderly and safe manner.
Armed intimidation of our elected officials at the capital is a lose-lose and must end.
Trump supported this and it is clear he has no sense of how government is supposed to work.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:56am

I also feel sorry for the security guards at the capitol. They were wearing masks, as required by all Michiganders inside closed areas where people gather, but they had no face shields. They need more protective gear and they need to arrest people who disregard the state orders.

In this now famous photo, a crazy screaming protester without a mask inside the capitol is right up in the faces of the security guards and clearly droplets of his aerosolized spit can be transmitted into their eyes. No one knows if these protesters carry the virus asymptomatically.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1256014705212047362/photo/2

It's one thing to protest, it's quite another to incite violence and spread a disease. There seem to be no reasonable state restrictions being enforced concerning social distancing and wearing of masks in enclosed public spaces where people gather. We already lost one state representative from covid. This is not a joke for people to politicize and endanger our lives.

True
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:27am

The security guards could have that spittle anywhere on their face or clothes.

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 8:57pm

Vince,
You should move to china. You'd love it there.

Poor babies
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 9:47pm

Not a SINGLE person was hurt in this protest. Not. One. Yet the ‘boo-boo they scare me’ liberal victims cry and whine while this site supports that drivel.

If this was Antifa you libs would be congratulating them and the police would be standing down. But no, we get to play race-hustler instead of wondering WHY people may be protesting.

Only disgusting progressives like this lot would ignore the fact that not one law was broken and people were well within their constitutional rights. Of course- you’ll never allow this to be posted.

Keep it up. Liberty will win.

Discussed by dolts
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:29am

You say that, but many protesters have died and spread covid19 to others. It's not an instant dead, you fool.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 3:39pm

Yeah, but Karen got afraid, and there is a possibility- less than the possibility of dying from falling out of your bed in the morning but still a possibility- that someone might of spread the virus (although there is no evidence of this so it's all just hypothetical like alien conspiracy stuff). If scare me, you deserve to lose all your rights. And if there is a possibility that I think you might harm me, you also should be dead. That's what the 1945 law says.

Not buying it
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:07pm

Actually, it sounds like Shirkey and Chatfield got afraid. You know stray bullets are nonpartisan.

middle of the mits
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 6:54pm

Here is a conservative complaining that liberals are the party of victim hood while telling us that Governor Gretchen is a jack-booted thug fascist and commie at the same time.

If this was antifa, they would have been unarmed and wearing masks. And then they tell us they are victims of antifa. And the Governor!

No progressive is complaining because you didn't break laws.

We are saying they way you are treated is contrary to peaceful demonstrations where there AREN'T ARMED MOBS yelling in the face of law enforcement. The same law enforcement that would be lobbing tear gas, rubber and sand bag bullets, and using sound canons all while dressed in riot gear and face shields.

You think what the Governor is doing is fascistic. Read the Diary of Anne Frank. It is the diary of a Jewish teenage girl and the travails of her entire family that spent a few years in an ATTIC OF A HOUSE. Hiding from Nazis.

As far as I have seen, no one is or has been forced to stay in. You are free to drive around, The State parks have been open. There is no gestapo or armed forces roaming the streets (unless you are in Lansing) keeping you inside your home.

Be glad you are not stuck in a city apartment. From the video I have seen of those who are? They are handling this pandemic a heck of a lot better than most of our well off citizens.

And frankly, that is sad.

Because apparently Northern Mi is open. Almost all weekenders in my neighborhood came up this weekend. And with that I will leave you with this.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/05/02/mississippi-governor-backtracks-on-...

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (R) backtracked on his plans to slowly reopen the local economy after health officials reported the highest single-day increase in coronavirus cases on Friday and new deaths since the state’s first detected case in March, ABC News reports.

Said Reeves: “Things can change quickly. We have to stay flexible. Today, I was prepared to announce further reopenings. That was the plan and I was excited to get more of our people back to work. This was a large enough change to make me take a step back… and I have come to the conclusion that I must hold on for now.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/05/02/official-ousted-after-saying-elderl...

A planning commissioner of a Northern California city was removed from his post Friday night after saying that just as a forest fire clears dead brush, “the sick, the old, the injured” should be left to meet their “natural course in nature” during the coronavirus pandemic, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Good point!
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 9:51pm

Maybe it’s also time to rethink our governor (intentional lower case) and her Soros-backed agenda.

Look it up. Whitless worked for a Soros-backed group prior to her election.

Never mind the fact that she skated in on bites of potheads...

I call BS
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:32am

True or not, we still elected her to lead our state. Elections have consequences. Moreover she's just following Trump's guidelines. So I guess it's all good. You like freedom, but want to control pot? Hypocrite!

Q-Hack
Fri, 05/01/2020 - 11:31pm

If you feel the need to wear a bullet proof vest because the law abiding citizens are storming the capital building... Perhaps the problem isn't with them, but rather the tyrannical laws put in place during this pandemic. You can ask people to practice good social distancing without shutting down the entire economy.

Yawn
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:33am

Okay?

Valarie
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 10:38am

That's a great point. According to reports, the people that entered the building all had their temperature taken and were asked questions about their health by the police. The police vetted them and then let them in. The police saw that they were wearing weapons, asked the appropriate questions and did the appropriate inspections, and then let them in. This was legal, law-abiding behavior. And yet a Democratic Congressman was so terrified that she wore a bullet proof vest? She isn't illogical, irrational, or crazy at all.

Q-Hack is correct- she knows that she is corrupt, tyrannical, and working to spread death and destruction and knows in her heart that she should be a target. She hears the whispers in her head about how she should take away all rights from the serfs, about how only she should be allowed to own property and be free, about how she could could personally benefit from a steady government paycheck during a government-induced economic crash. This Congresswoman knows in her heart that she stands to benefit by inflicting death and destruction on others- she will gain more power, influence, and wealth while others will suffer.

Delayed cancer screenings, an explosion in suicide rates, preventive medicine not being done, drug abuse skyrocketing, vaccination rates for preventive diseases not happening, alcohol poisoning increasing- this is only collateral damage for this power hungry politician, and acceptable to her. Her only fear is that the people will rise up and demand their lives, liberty, and property be better protected- that's why she wears a vest.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:46am

All disproved GOP talking points AKA blather

Wasabi
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 2:55am

we will always carry our assault weapons. This will not change. You say you're scared...good. A government scared of its citizens tends to make the right decisions.

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:34am

Try carrying it in a courthouse.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:05pm

Wasabi, what about a traitorous president afraid of Russian kompromat, (In Russian culture, kompromat, short for "compromising material", is damaging information about a politician, a businessperson, or other public figure, used to create negative publicity, as well as for blackmail and extortion.) ? It might depend when is a foreign adversary that is inflicting fear in our politicians, right?

A.Hands
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 6:59am

All them weapons and not one shot fired, so what's the problem? This is the difference between law abiding citizens having weapons and criminals having them, NOTHING HAPPENED. Really no one has stated what exactly it is that scares them all so much about the BLACK guns? Is it that the BLACK guns are just too scary looking or is it that they just don't understand them?

Kathi Geukes
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:42am

What's to understand about the black guns?? That they have no place in any kind of protest? If you really want anyone to take you seriously, leave the weaponry at home. If you want people to think you are nothing more than a scared little boy who wants attention, then bring the big BLACK gun. There's something wrong with a "man" who thinks toting around a big BLACK gun makes him more masculine....here's a hint....it DOESN'T!!!!!! Play with it at home if you must....but do not bring it to places where it might "accidently" go off!!! If you can't understand that then you have no right owning one!!!

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:00pm

Kathi,
You very uneducated person,
Are you telling me that the color of a gun scares you?
Are you aware of why those guns are black?
Because other colors, generally speaking, are significantly more expensive.
I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about mettalurgy, but your idiocy here is inexcuseable.
Did you know that the less scary wooden guns that we hunt deer with are much more dangerous?
Did you know that those scary black guns cannot pierce typical body armor, but a single bullet from a deer rifle could go through the armor, then the person, and quite possibly through the armor on the other side of the person?
How about you just admit it, you don't like the color black because you're a racist.

middle of the mit
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 9:16pm

Why are those guns matte black as opposed to gloss black? Why does the military use the same thing?

Yes! Deer hunting rifles are a higher caliber. That is why the military doesn't use them for personal protection. If you shot one like you would an AR-15 you wouldn't be able to do your job the next day.

And unless you are shooting deer with armor piercing bullets.......Are you?

And then, why allow protestors into the Capital building with weapons that could take out our leadership?

When you allow Black Americans who live in areas you deem dangerous yourself (while wanting to project your manhood in your relatively crime free region) to open carry and the police treat law abiding black Americans with the same respect.......

And search for people disrespecting law officials trying to get them to wear masks.

Then we can talk.

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:56pm

Mit,
It's sad that a michigander could be so ignorant about guns.
The military in fact shoots MANY bullets larger than the AR-15.
Did you know that the bullet used in the AR-15 is one of the smallest/lowest powered bullets allowed for whitetail? Many consider it cruel as it really does not have the power needed to effectively kill a deer. Now consider that a human is about the same size including body cavity area. Hmm, that's odd. Kind of sounds like an AR-15 is not that powerful! Maybe that's why only infantry shooting in close range use it! Ever heard of the goal of this cartridge in the military? It was chosen for infantry use due to its tendency to wound, not kill - Wounding an enemy soldier takes 3 guys off the battlefield - The wounded one, and the two who have to carry him to the medics!

In regards to armor piercing bullets, you are really clueless here - Those are not allowed for civilian use unless you can find the VERY rare ammunition that has been on the shelf since before it was banned. Very expensive, collectors items, people buy the few remaining "armor piercing" rounds for their personal museums.

In regards to all of the common rounds used to hunt deer - These are not armor piercing - They are simply so heavy and so fast that body armor generally does not stop them! This is simple physics. These bullets are not armor piercing by nature, they are simply heavy enough to kill a deer without leaving it limping away into the forest which is very, very cruel.

I don't really see any point in your gloss black vs. matte black statement, nor your statement about Black Americans, I will assume you are drunk. Sober up.

KJMC
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:45am

I've always thought that the problem with them is they tend to be bought as fashion accessories by fruits and nuts. It's like handing the keys to a semi over to a teenager who's been known to enjoy throwing rocks at ducklings. It'll be fine - until it isn't. Sure wish we still had an actual state militia, so the COs could weed out the problems.

mary therese lemanek
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:44am

Signs are banned but guns are OK...we are a world gone mad

No more gerryma...
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:51pm

No, we were just gerrymandered out of control to a radical mob of small endowed Republicans with big guns and no heart.

Mike F
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:40am

Our allies across the world must think we're nuts...all it takes is one small incident and all hell could break loose....in an heightened environment where tension and anxiety are extremely high all it would take is the wrong confrontation to set someone off and people die.
The capital is no place for people to be walking around with assault rifles. Period.

Why the guns?
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:45am

Or maybe not an accident. Maybe someone will attend the rally with evil intentions like the crazy guy who shot up the country music concert in Las Vegas. I thought the pandemic was bad enough and a good reason to stay away from "normal" crowds, but who in their right mind would want to attend a protest where people are carrying assault weapons???? It's unbelievably nuts.

Le Roy G. Barnett
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:43am

Not long ago, in attempting to enter the Ingham County Courthouse on business, I was turned away by the guard at the door because I had on my keychain a little P-38 military can opener. I am not criticizing the guard, as he was just following orders. I mention this experience to contrast it with the idea that had I driven 15 miles north to the state capitol, I could have walked inside with my little can opener and my loaded carbine from Army days. It doesn't take a mental giant to conclude that something here does not compute.

Liberty
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:54am

“While there was no physical violence, and most of the hundreds of demonstrators were not armed, at least one protester held a sign encouraging violence against Whitmer: “Tyrants Get The Rope.” Another brought a Confederate flag outside the Capitol in apparent ode to the Civil War. “

The bias in this article is clearly demonstrated in the paragraph above. “...there was no physical violence” what other type of violence can there be other than physical? This is the author trying to inflame the readers. “At least one protester held a sign encouraging violence against Whitmer saying “Tyrants Get The Rope”. There is nothing in that sign that is “encouraging violence against Whitmer” that is a huge stretch by the author of this article to make that assumption. Do the sign say we should hang Whitmer? No it does not.

Interesting that the Detroit Democrats are afraid of people exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights and their first reaction is to suggest trampling on those rights. A better reaction would be for those legislators to self reflect and ask why people are so upset with their actions.
This was a civil rights demonstration and the Democrats completely missed the point. The demonstration was about how Gov Whitmer is violating the civil rights of the citizens of Michigan. But the Democrats completely missed that and wanted to talk about “bullet proof vests” and violating civil rights even more.
Side note: there are no “bullet proof” vests. A center fire rifle round from commonly owned sporting rifles will defeat most body armor unless it is level 3 or better.

Whatever
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:47am

Yet do you feel comfortable with banning signs in the capitol?

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:03am

So we shouldn't mind that maybe only one protester was inciting violence suggesting lynching a "tyrant"?

Should it bother us that after the first capitol protest, the next one took place at the governor's home?

When should we be concerned, after an actual killing or attempted killing?

You cra cra
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:55pm

Liberty, hundreds of terrorists with guns were calling Whitmer a "tyrant", but hey we're supposed to believe your feeble attempt at triangulation. LOL

middle of the mit
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 9:31pm

Listen to this. Do you hear them? They are all over MI. Telling you that their AR-15 can wipe through any body armor. Calling for all out civil war!

What is becoming our country?

It is a faction of a party and unfortunately they will get their way.

Let us remember them and Never forget it.

Jill Roe
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:58am

Joe Biden, or anyone else nominated by the Democrats, will follow the radical left’s agenda (or Joe won't get their support) Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Al Green, Beto O'Rourke, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Talib, Ayanna Pressley and llhan Omar. A rogues gallery of socialists, communists and far left radicals who have plans for our tax dollars.

Democrat Platform & Goals: AKA The Freebie Platform.
(Taxpayers pay close attention)

-End all deportations of illegal aliens, if you get here, you stay. Bernie's website calls it a "moratorium" on deportations.

-De-fund & terminate border patrol & ICE.

-"Medicare care for all" Free Health Care for Illegal aliens, TPS recipients (taxpayer funded with one estimate at 52 trillion)

-Ending of all private / employer based health care. Feds run everything.

-Welfare & Food Stamps for illegal aliens. (Elizabeth Warrens plan adopted)

-College for all, including illegal aliens. (tax payer funded)

-Decriminalization of illegal entry into our country.

-Citizenship for 20 to 50 million illegal aliens, DACA & TPS recipients with a cost of billions.

-Sanctuary Cities & States.

-Open Borders.

-Massive tax increases. Of course, how else can they pay for the freebies? All Democrat candidates have committed to tax increases of various amounts.

-Reparations for race's harmed by Caucasians. (Joe along with the other candidates committed this to "Reverend" Al Sharpton.) Sheila Jackson Lee's racist reparations bill in the House.

-Joe Biden's 2 trillion climate change plan.

-Drivers licenses for illegal aliens.(already happening in states with Democrat leadership)

-Opposed to ANY voter ID Laws.(Nancy wanted this in the first corona virus bill)

-AOC's green new deal.(which would create massive unemployment, 100,000 jobs estimated in the transportation industry alone.)

*Sources: Joe positions are clearly outlined on his website.

No to more snakeoil
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:12am

Okay, but did you know Joe is beating Don by ten points? Clearly the country is not following your line of thought. BTW Trillions don't scare us anymore. Trump is the biggest socialist in the history of the USA for the rich and capitalist for the working poor. Truth must be painful for you. I heard he's stomping around the White House throwing tantrums. LOL

LMAO
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:17am

"Jill Roe" I can understand why you want to change the subject. I mean Trump is instigating these protests and his news briefing rallies have been landing with a big thump, approval ratings plummeting. GOP scrambling for relevancy at both the state and federal levels.

middle of the mit
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:29pm

This person simply has a problem with non citizen workers.

Would you like it if your kids grew up to be farm workers? Not that it isn't a necessary job. IT IS! The problem is that you can't feed a family off of that income from doing that job. That is why most conservatives are now being called out for their hypocrisy. They are the ones that pushed FREE TRADE and allowing immigrant VISA's . They told us that the American worker was too expensive. (Who drives costs more? Workers unable to make a decent living or multimillionaires who need more every year?)

They rationalized this by telling us that they were helping bring up the standard of living in those countries and also that American companies couldn't compete with foreign labor costs. And now they are Shirking responsibility (pun intended) on the World wide (think Globalist) economy they created.

They also complain about the "small business person" and how they are getting the short end of the stick. And to be True, THEY ARE!

But it is a philosophy and by design.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/05/01/many-very-large-companies-got-small...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/12/fed-announces-massive-cash-inje...

That talks about the FED pushing in $1.5 TRILLION dollars to investors. Note the date.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/06/826894304/fed-goes-all-out-to-keep-econom...

The $2 trillion relief bill passed by Congress to address the coronavirus fallout includes $454 billion to backstop Fed lending programs. That should allow the central bank to pump as much as $4 trillion into the economy. That's more than the Fed spent on its bond-buying program in the six years after the financial crisis. ////

Note the date.

WE are propping up investors instead of the small businesses. And only now is the Federal Government asking for their money back from the TRUE GRIFTERS so that it can go to those who need it. Because this administration is thinking of YOU. Ha ha ha ha!!!!

And then all of the stimulus money is shoved through banks, so they can skim off the top too. That is why the big banks gave the loans to the biggest customers. More fees. This is also why the market hasn't tumbled like it should have.

We can't keep going this way.

This is why people like Matt want code changes. It is why I hear people I talk to ask the same questions.

"Why can't we have less regulated areas where first homeowners can build wood slat houses for their starter homes?"

Who wants that in their town or in their neighborhood? Most rural areas wouldn't even allow that unless it was a detached shed.

Why duane and Matt? Insurance purposes. When you are in charge, you don't get the freedumb of only thinking about yourself. You have to also take into account others around you. There is only one party that doesn't like thinking about others. They think they own everything and they are like Cartmann from South Park. "I CAN DO WHAT I WANT!" They may think they own everything but they think they won't be hurt.

Let your customers and employees fail and who will be their to purchase your stuff?

https://politicalwire.com/2020/05/02/wave-of-virus-litigation-hits-busin...

Don't worry! You can automate!

How much do self-check outs contribute to the economy by being paid and spending that pay? Nothing. You are just asking your customers to do the work you used to pay someone to do, for FREE! Who is the slave?

GET IT YET?

Nancy
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:40pm

Off topic.
Please find an appropriate article to which you can copy and paste your comment.

Al Simon
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:04am

The guns are just symbolic. The same as ineffective home made cloth face masks, just a symbol of compliance to the agenda the left is trying to promote. Wake up people, do you want the change and dependence on the government to run your life?

Symbolic
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:23am

Yeah yeah yeah, just like during the 2016 election, we were told to ignore Trump's rhetoric. Remember when Trump famously said, "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters. It's like incredible."

I guess we all have to decide who we trust.

Tony Wagoner
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:05am

To Mr. Shirkey:

They may be jackasses, but they're YOUR jackasses. You stir them up with your political posturing and rhetoric. The country is laughing at Michigan.

Larry Allen Peplin
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:07am

This is pure baloney:
"Tom Lambert, legislative director for Michigan Open Carry Inc.: “Simply displaying a firearm, simply carrying a firearm is not intended to cause fear,” Lambert said."
Carrying those firearms in and around the building is absolutely intended to cause fear, that's their whole point, isn't it? It's bullying 101, intimidation and borders on terrorism.
They're a security detail? What a bunch of hooey. CHANGE THE LAW.

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:02pm

Larry,
Do you feel afraid when you see a cop?
By your logic, you should!
Is a cop's presence supposed to cause fear?
Are you noticing any of your double standards yet?
Stop drinking the kool-aid, buddy!

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:49am

When they are dressed and armed as soldiers in Iraq, only they're in my neighborhood, yes.

Constitution
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:51am

There's a reason our founding fathers used the term a "well REGULATED militia".

middle of the mit
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 9:49pm

You don't feel a difference in your demeanor when there are flashing lights behind you?

Yeah all right....................

Imagine being a minority doing nothing wrong.

I have had cops up here put their hands on their weapons when approaching me for a seat belt violation.

I don't take chances anymore.

Revere
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 9:59am

Mit,
You aren't special. If they can't see your hands as they approach the corner of your vehicle, their hand will be on their gun.
This is basic training.
How could you not know this?
Oh, because it wasn't on FAUX NEWS.
You're losing it. You should stop while you're behind. Go back to school. Get a STEM degree.

chief54
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:08am

The event at the capital this week was nothing more then a Trump rally without Donnie Cheeseburger leading the chants. Since Donnie can't get out he's sending his armed band discombobulates to get himself a bit of attention.
From the comments no one believes there is a virus ( only over 60,000 dead in 3 months) and the state has disrupted their lives for nothing.

Many states are opening, have you thought about moving?

William Hall
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:18am

I feel bullied by people carrying guns.
I own guns.

Marshall
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 12:00pm

Wow. No hyperbole, just a clearly stated opinion. Good post. I’m very pro gun and pro freedom, and I wish the open carry activists would show more courtesy. They are not very dangerous, but are tone deaf. Conversely, the anti gunners have never seen a restriction they didn’t like. They gladly use any incident to push their agenda. The real bad guys would not be deterred by another law.

Anti mob rule
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:21pm

The mob only wants to terrorize people. No harm in that. They aren't "real bad guys", just patriots occupying the capitol who happen to be carrying assault rifles.

Paul Jordan
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:19am

If the armed protesters had been black, we all know that John Truscott and the rest of the Capitol Commission would have fallen all over themselves in their rush to ban guns from the Capitol building. The Right to Bear Arms has always been treated (by white people) as the right of white people, while white people experience an armed black man as the threat that justifies them arming themselves.
So-called 'right to carry' laws are nothing more than one of the 'badges of slavery' that is banned under the Constitution but linger to enforce de facto white supremacy. In practice, it is only white people who have that right.

Marshall
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 1:55pm

Actually, MI CPL laws allow any trained person 21 or older, with a clean background check to obtain the permit for concealed carry. If you know of a case of denial based on race, please publish it so we can share your outrage and help to right the wrong.

middle of the mit
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:43pm

Marshall,
You are conflating concealed carry with open carry.........aren't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

This is the story of black man in Minnesota that had a LEGAL CPL and when he told the cop, the cop then asked him to get his wallet. And when he went get his wallet................the cop shot him DEAD ! In front of his girlfriend and his child. Do you think you NEED a CPL more than a black man living in a black neighborhood that YOU DEEM DANGEROUS?

SHARE MY OUTRAGE!!!

Everytime I passed that story on to a conservative family member of mine?

"Well he was black and cops have to protect themselves They don't know what is going to happen"

YOU KNOW it is TRUE!

It's time for responsibility!

Are you willing to own it?

Enough
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:48pm

Don't worry, WE the People will right the wrongs. We got rid of gerrymandering. Your gun wet dreams will soon be a thing of the past. Begone Jezebel!

Lou
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:22am

If they don't like the environment in the capitol there is a simple solution, don't run for re-election or resign. Done.

sticks and stones
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:31am

I guess that makes you are a tyrant.

Jim tomlinson
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:23am

Someone will get assasinared in the name of some antiquated neo facist gun fetish glory. The shooter will be remembers and written about for decades. Infamy

George Hagenauer
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:24am

In the 1970's i n the Chicago area where there was gun control - I periodically covered a friend's store . He like most store owners had a handgun under the counter and showed me the basics in case I had to use it . The store had little traffic and basically if you used it you needed no skill - I am the person would be 10 feet away you just aimed at the center of the body and pulled the trigger. I asked him how do I know when to use it. He basically said if someone walks in with a weapon especially a gun call them out if they move pull the trigger. Basically you didn't know if anyone with a gun was a threat or not but given the situation (and gun control) you took it for granted they were. This was a white neighborhood with white criminals. So when an Open Carry person says it is no problem they are carrying well I take it for granted it is a potential problem. Criminals are the least issue with guns as they tend to often be a bit rational if not stoned - the mentally ill is a whole other issue. The Capitol cops should be armed and should be able in the least to tell people to not enter armed. There is no need in a democracy to have guns in the Capitol. By the way places with no firearms allowed sign mean the person entering not the staff of the store or office.

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:04pm

George,
Both you and your supposed boss are idiots. If you shot someone for simply open carry you would go to prison for a very long time.
How about you stop trolling with fake stories and defective logic? You're falling all over yourself here, buddy.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:55am

Looks threatening to someone who thinks they should stand their ground. After all, a hoodie looks threatening to them, let alone a military assault weapon.

Revere
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:58pm

Only cops and military members can get "military assault weapons" so not sure what your point is there.
The hoodie thing is simply jumping the shark, I assume it references this trayvon character who was later proven to be a dangerous criminal whose shooting was more than justified. So you have no point here. Why am I even responding.

A Yooper
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:28am

Senate Majority Leader MIke Shirkey, a Second Amendment champion who has encouraged demonstrations against the governor, on Friday denounced some among the protesters as “a bunch of jackasses.”
“Many protested safely and responsibly, and I respect and appreciate their efforts,” Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said in a statement. “Several other so-called protestors, used intimidation and the threat of physical harm to stir up fear and feed rancor. I condemn their behavior and denounce their tactics.”,

Shirkey speaks with a forked tongue now that his sorry ass is in jeopardy if he is in building right? What a piece of garbage and waste of a life form. Hey Mikey, there's a bus leaving. Be under it!

There must be laws that ban weapons in all State building and offices.

No kidding
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:44am

It looks like Shirkey and Chatfield are finding Jesus.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:31am

No weapons of any kind are allowed in any other federal or state building, the capital should be no different. This needs to be changed for the safety of everyone! And the reporter who was smacked in the head should file an assault complaint.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:31am

No weapons of any kind are allowed in any other federal or state building, the capital should be no different. This needs to be changed for the safety of everyone! And the reporter who was smacked in the head should file an assault complaint.

Elsie A. Owings
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:43am

How ridiculous and dangerous that we do not already have laws preventing guns in the state capitol! It makes our legislators and their staffers sitting ducks for shooters. Making the capitol building "open" does not at all mean that anyone has to be allowed inside (or on the grounds) carrying a gun. The fact that they can do so indicates the power of the gun lobby in Michigan.

Absurdity normal?
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:42am

I kind of wonder how all the nutjobs would react if Whitmer gave the State of the State carrying an AK 47. Can you imagine if all our elected officials walked around carrying assault weapons? Are the guns just for the governed or for those who govern too? It's all so absurd, surreal. Too many violent video games?????

Marshall
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 3:44pm

It would take too long to correct your “Assault Weapon” nonsense so that can be for later. To your main point, Ms Whitmer already has armed security, but if she wants to carry a firearm, that would be no harm. Maybe she does now. That’s her business. The danger she poses is with her pen, not her gun.

Marshall
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:37pm

I imagine she would look pretty silly. I further suspect her voice would be muffled and that she’d have a sore shoulder from slinging a 10lb rifle. Agreed?

Marshall
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 4:14pm

Gretchen look like Sarah?? Not on her best day! I haven't picked on for her looks so far, as that seems petty. Truth be known, my face is probably better suited for radio than the camera, so I best not throw stones.

middle of the mit
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:14pm

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing...

The first image is from a search engine inquiry of pics of terrorists.

The second is from a search of pics of MI protest.

Please put them in separate windows enlarge and then compare and contrast.

You can say they aren't assault weapons all you want.

You want the definition of an assault rifle? It doesn't mean you have an automatic weapon. What you are doing with that weapon is an intimidation tactic. You ARE PROJECTING, just like you do with everything else. What is projecting?

Psychological projection
Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target. It incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping. Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.
More at Wikipedia

AKA shifting blame, scapegoating............

Scapegoating
Scapegoating is the practice of singling out a person or group for unmerited blame and consequent negative treatment. Scapegoating may be conducted by individuals against individuals, individuals against groups, groups against individuals, and groups against groups.Wikipedia

Scapegoat
In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of two kid goats. As a pair, one goat was sacrificed and the living "scapegoat" was released into the wilderness, taking the sins and impurities into the wilderness. The concept first appears in Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community. Practices with some similarities to the scapegoat ritual also appear in Ancient Greece and Ebla.

And Governor Gretchen is looking out for not just your safety, but the safety of ALL MICHIGANDERS!

That is her job!

Thank YOU Governor Gretchen!

middle of the mit
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 10:22pm

AR-15's are NOT assault rifles. This is what we hear. But we also hear that there should be no limits on the ammunition capacity for these weapons.

Post a pic of terrorists and pro gun protestors together and what do you get?

Revere, I want to see you with that weapon in the field hunting what? Coyotes? What are you hunting with these weapons? And you can't use them in the field with those extended clips.

5 rounds my friend. That is what the State law is. Check your regulations book that I am sure you have. If you can't hit what you want with 5 rounds that is your problem. And...........you should give up hunting.

That is what I was taught.

So why are you using weapons that you can't shoot nothing but coyotes with?

The rest of the public isn't as dense as you think we are.

Revere
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 10:03am

Mit,
Once again, you show your ignorance on guns.
Yes, you are only allowed to load 5 rounds when hunting to give the animal a fair chance. However, what is stopping you from loading 30 rounds into that gun? Nothing! If it accepts a magazine (it's not called a clip) you can simply 3D print a "high capacity" version with ease - The plans have been circulating the internet for a decade now.
Let's say you ban "high capacity magazines". What do you do when people just 3D print their own? The only reason this isn't happening now is because there is literally a billion or more of these "high capacity magazines" in circulation, but if that were to change, people would just print them at home. There is literally nothing you can do to stop this.
Did you have any point? Or just continuing to broadcast your ignorance on guns? I don't know who "taught" you but they failed to teach you even basic reasoning and logic. A little common sense would have been great as well!

Oiler
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:45am

I certainly disagree with the gun toting but I also really disagree with your use of the inflammatory term “slammed” regarding the unintentional hitting of one reporter. That type of reporting is not being evenhanded but either taking a position or trying to sell news. Please bring yourself above that

Just sayin'
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:46am

Um, my son accidentally slammed the car door on his finger.

Anonymous
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 2:15pm

True, that's the word we use even when it's an accident, but accidents are treated differently when weapons are involved. There's STRICT LIABILITY.

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:47am

Yes, the peaceful carrying of legal items does indeed seem to be reason enough for officials to want to control others. That's the world we live in now- if you are scared and you are in government, you can use your fear to take away rights and property of others. This is key though- you must scare people, otherwise people won't give up their rights and property. So go on TV every chance you can and say 'it's going to get worse' and 'it's still bad'. Do not give hope to the serfs- rule them in fear. That's how you act as a tyrant.

Old hippie
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:49am

Huh?

Really?
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:48am

Anonymous, isn't that why Trump is removing children from their parents and caging them in for-profit holding cells?

bill
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 2:48pm

I agree. The press keeps saying, "people are tired of staying home and are protesting"!! Not this protester. It, might seem weird to some of the commenters on here,but, many good people are very worried about our way of life and the ease which the gov took away our rights. It seems more people are scared of a legally carried gun than the fact that she literally banned the first three rights in the first Amendment. She took my property rights away, she took my freedom to move about, and other precious rights and she based it all on shaky science from a left wing scientist that funded the WuHan lab. She is not a Capitalist and working for Soros and others proves she has no fear of crashing the economy to further her and others gains.

West
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 6:02pm

No. She. Did. Not. The fact that you wrote your comment demonstrates just one of MANY freedoms you have today and will still have tomorrow. Stop watching Fox News. Go to med school (if you can get accepted) and study medicine, specializing in infectious diseases. Work for 10+ years in research and patient care. THEN you can tell me all about the "shaky science." Until then, sit down and take notes.

Don't feed the ...
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:29pm

Never mind "bill" he's just a russianbot spouting GOP talking points and divisive debunked conspiracy theories to get Trump reelected. Funny thing is that Trump is the one parading the so-called shaky scientists and embracing the China he pretends to scold. Yet Whitmer is the villain and not Trump. Too rich.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 12:12am

How did the Governor take your property rights away? Because you live downstate and own a second home upstate, and you were but now are only strongly encouraged to not go there? Aren't those in the hinterlands asking you not to come up? Only so your freedumbs don't continue to spread the virus? But, but MY FREEDUMBS!!!

Shaky science? You mean like 99.9% of all scientists, doctors and disease specialists that don't appear on FOX News?

I understand the economy is hurting. If you think it would hurt less taking your approach, WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT. Americans are just too selfish. WE have made selfishness into a virtue. In fact we call it:

The Virtue of Selfishness
The Virtue of Selfishness: A New Concept of Egoism is a 1964 collection of essays by the philosopher Ayn Rand and the writer Nathaniel Branden. Most of the essays originally appeared in The Objectivist Newsletter. The book covers ethical issues from the perspective of Rand's Objectivist philosophy.Wikipedia
Author:Ayn Rand

Don't get me wrong. Everyone should look out for themselves. That is the World we have built. But when we continue to shove more and more and more on to those who already have and then cry for austerity for those who don't?

You are treading on why GOD sent Prophets in the first place!

Don't you understand?

My 15 to your 1.

And you will run out before I do!!!!

Bet?

I have the ENTIRE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT.

https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-did-jesus-say-about-the-po...

http://intersectproject.org/faith-and-economics/what-does-god-think-abou...

Certain laws are only directly applicable to theocratic Israel. These laws are time-bound cultural applications of unchanging moral principles. While these laws themselves don’t apply to us, the underlying moral principles do. As a result, reviewing the economic portions of the Old Testament law help us better understand the timeless moral framework upon which the biblical teaching on wealth and poverty rests.

Dozens of regulations in the law address the economic life of God’s people and most of them relate to the institution of the Sabbath, which had three different manifestations within the Hebrew theocracy:

The Sabbath Day, which many believers recognize as the fourth commandment, although it is articulated apart from the Ten Commandments as well (see Exod. 20:8-11; 23:12; Lev. 23:3; Deut. 5:12-15). The Sabbath Day prescribed the cessation of ordinary labors, for both people and animals, one out of every seven days.

The Sabbath Year, which was to be observed every seventh year (see Exod. 23:10-11; Lev. 25:1-7; Deut. 15:1-18). During the Sabbath Year, people, animals, and the land were to rest from their regular work. Additionally, all outstanding debts between Jews were to be cancelled.

The Year of Jubilee, which was to be celebrated every fiftieth year — after seven cycles of the Sabbath Year. The Year of Jubilee, involved the rest of people, animals, and the ground, as well as the return of all lands and most houses to their original owners (see Lev. 25:8-55; 27:16-25).

That is 2!

And none of this is what Jesus had in mind..may I remind you?..........ohh I didn't have to do that because the original poster told you, these LAWS don't apply to us. They just apply to GODS chosen people.

But they aren't for us. Do WE really want to find out what Jesus said WE should do?

I don't you think you do, and I think you already know....you just refuse to accept.

15:1

It's better than 46:2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBnalcSi138

This is what we are left with..........TOOL - Ænema
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHcmnowjfrQ

Instead we are left with a faction that allows the Leader of the Free Nations to be like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouVedNg-6WQ Why can't our leader be sober

And the rest of the Nation feels like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWUZHVT-qQY..........Down in a hole......Alice in Chains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUqBglpHTO0.............Here come the rooster.........Alice in Chains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80RtBeB61LE : TOOL - Schism

It should be obvious that Republican legislators are unwilling to work with the Governor. They can cry that the Governor is not working with them all they want, but........15:1

Who are they working for?

NOT YOU!

Does your business do better with trashy roads than it does with nice roads? Does your car need less repair with nicer roads than it does with roads full of pot holes?

I don't know who builds the roads in your county, but the roads up here? The county gets money from the State, county and township. And from what I see in our tax budget and voting records.....they are pretty important up here because the that is the only thing that retirees are willing to pay for so that their cars and trucks don't get scratched paint. And Sheriff patrol.

When it comes to schools?

Ha ha ha ha ha!

SHUT DOWN!

And we are supposed to think you care about us up here?

Bridge? This is an article in and of itself.

I may have just connected some dots for you.

Good night!

Gilbert
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:31am

All it takes is one mentally unbalanced man-child having a bad day for things to go south instantly.

Moreover
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:54am

Or, for argument's sake, pretend some are not nuts (I know LOL, but work with me). It only takes one to trip and "accidentally" wreck havoc and cause mayhem. You wouldn't give matches to a child or tell kids to play with fire. Yet these gun owners want us to think they are responsible when they bring them to a gathering of hotheads. It's like throwing gasoline on a fire, something most adults would find crazy.

Anonymous
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 7:48pm

Yeah, but this was a conservative, Christian, Republican, moderate, tea-party, or whatever protest- so it's unlikely that there will bea mentally unbalanced man-child there that will cause things to "go south instantly". It isn't like communist, fascist, Democrat, left-wing protests where there is a wake of destruction (environmental, polluted, property-damage, etc) behind it. And it's far more likely (based on past evidence over the last 20 years) that the "shoot em up" or "beat em up" thug will be the one voting Biden in the coming election. So no worries about this protest. :)

R.L.
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:36am

Give me just one good reason to carry a military assault weapon into the State Capital. Go ahead I would love to hear .

Anonymous
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:50pm

As you can see, there's NO reason.

chris justice
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:43am

Read your history. During Reconstruction their was a violent terrorist backlash against the passing of 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. Armed terrorists - ex Confederate soldiers led by their former field officers in many cases - invaded state capitol buildings to intimidate and remove elected congressmen and governors. They terrorized and murdered black voters at the polls and in their homes. They refused to recognize the legitimacy of their state or federal governments and ultimately President Grant had to repeatedly dispatch federal troops to states like LA, SC and MS to remove the armed terrorists. Grant also created the DOJ explicitly to help prosecute these terrorists. They organized under different guises - Knights of the White Camellia, KKK, Redeemers, the White League, etc.
This racially motivated armed organization against legitimate state and federal government is happening and will explode again if we do not take it seriously...
As a practical consideration, open carry laws need to be amended to prevent weapons in government buildings, schools and in the vicinity of polling places. The existing "brandishing" part of the state's open carry regulation needs to be enforced in situations where military assault weapons are clearly being carried for purposes of intimidation and disruption.

Bob Morris
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:52am

I wonder how these same 2nd amendment advocates would feel if a group of African American demonstrators took over the third floor gallery? Or, heaven forbid, imagine a group of young Palestinians carrying automatic weapons protesting the 2018 anti-Palestinian legislation that became law. I bet John Truscott and his Capitol commission would take action in a New York second!

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:06pm

Bob:
African American protestors carrying guns? They would be applauded just like everyone else.
Palestinian nations, armed in a capitol building? The US Army would be there gunning them down... You don't let foreign nationals carry guns. Your logic is so broken here I don't even know where to start. Is this how you think? Scary.

Joe Bressette
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 10:57am

Scares me to think what might have happened if someone had lit a pack of firecrackers

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:58am

Or if a car backfired.

Revere
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 10:04am

I was there and in fact several cars and motorcycles did backfire! Fortunately, anyone who knows anything about guns knows the difference in sound between a gun and a firecracker or backfire!

Rougarou
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:00am

I own guns but I only carry them when hunting. Most of the time they sit in my home to protect my family. That is the main purpose for my guns. They are not symbolic of my manhood they are simply tools I purcahsed with specific purposes. So to those jackasses who showed up at the capital, I wonder, what reason do you buy a gun? Why do you own it? What purpose does your gun fulfill in your mind? Compensating for a less than average endowment? Inability to correctly spell words on protest signs?

Jan
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:40pm

I also own firearms to protect me and mine. Those asinine fools at the Capitol Building are merely what I refer to as Lackadicks.

GOP protester
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 8:40pm

You're right, I just don't measure up down there and I don't know why my dad is never around. Please stop. Otherwise, next time I protest everyone will know the truth and wonder about my insecurities. I just want to be accepted by other guys and not be judged. Also when I attend protests, I tell my mom I'm out looking for a job. She said I have to move out of the basement because all I do is play Call of Duty. It's so unfair. I'm white and I can't even find a job that will pay more than my mom's food stamps. I wanted to join the military, but they say I'm bipolar and that my condition won't allow me to use a firearm. Yet it seems no one cares if you're a civilian.

Jeff
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:14am

Jonathon needs to do some more research. Especially view the pictures and read the comments online from people who were in there. First off, there were 6 people with firearms in there, along with several others. They said what they wanted and left after about 5 minutes. The state police were there to make sure nothing else happened. The officers told the protesters to have a good day as they left. There is at least one picture of one of the protesters with a firearm posing with two state police officers in the entry way of the Capitol. The reporter wasn't "attacked", that person was hit in the head by accident as the person swung and he apologized. This according to several witnesses. For those who commented, people's memories sure are short. There have been armed people at nearly every rally or protest at the capitol for decades. The reason for the event didn't matter. I have seen them driving by at the old ERA protests in the 70's, anti import car, anti NAFTA, pro life, pro choice, right to work, KKK, civil rights, Line 5, etc., etc. However, they aren't always the most visible and the media rarely takes pictures of them. Yes, there have been a few who were in the Capitol, but they tried to walk right on to the legislative floors and were escorted out. Many state legislators carry handguns to this day, or keep them at work.

The reason courts have metal detectors and ban weapons is because people have killed judges in the past many times, in every state. You still see people get them in on television occasionally and shoot up a court room. No one has done that at the Capitol because they have a formidable arsenal and personnel in there to deal with any situations that may arise.

Lastly, those guys who went in there didn't have their guns loaded. They are the last people who want anything to happen by accident. While this is a rumor I heard from an officer in Lansing, I have no reason to doubt it.

LMAO
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 12:04pm

"The reporter wasn't 'attacked', that person was hit in the head by accident as the person swung and he apologized." By a gun?

"There have been armed people at nearly every rally or protest at the capitol for decades. The reason for the event didn't matter. I have seen them driving by at the old ERA protests in the 70's, anti import car, anti NAFTA, pro life, pro choice, right to work, KKK, civil rights, Line 5, etc., etc. However, they aren't always the most visible and the media rarely takes pictures of them. Yes, there have been a few who were in the Capitol, but they tried to walk right on to the legislative floors and were escorted out." Yeah, all the same crazy MEN(?) who never miss an occasion to show their lack of manliness in the bedroom.

Jake K.
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:28am

I am a Christian trying to live my faith. I am a staunch 2nd Amendment supporter. I have no argument with reasonable firearm purchase requirements or carry/display restrictions. I am an outlier in a black & white world where no gray is accepted. Please don’t question my values as a Republican or Libertarian...I can’t support the Democratic party, which not only accepts but promotes abortion. Where’s the value of life in that approach?

No
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:05pm

Jake, what part of trying to live your "Christian" faith requires supporting the sale and menacing display of military assault weapons? You and your GOP/Libertarian parties don't care about life outside the womb, the health of living humans and our environment which God told us to take stewardship of. Keep fighting for protoplasm while your party encourages the spread of a deadly virus that without serious precautions will continue to decimate our population.

middle of the mit
Mon, 05/04/2020 - 11:00pm

I am too! But what these people are doing is not for the 2nd amendment.

The only value I question is the pro life value. And here is why....if you will take the time to read,

I personally despise abortion. I don't like it, I don't agree with it. But........I understand why it happens.

You want to talk about life at it's beginning and the rest of your party doesn't give a crap about those who are going to die before their time. "Pre-exisitng conditions or not. The economy is what is important.

That same economy that you tout sooo much? Is the same reason that women have abortions. Sure, some didn't protect themselves. Some of their partners didn't protect themselves. But it is what they can afford in the economy and job prospects that areTHE DETERMINING FACTOR in that decision.

And your party is the one that thinks that taxpayers shouldn't pay for "indiscretions of individuals...they should take personal responsibility for their actions and not ask taxpayers to pay for their failures"

Sound familiar?

All the while we bail out Wealthy conglomerates who have done nothing but lower the wage of the average American for THEIR BENEFIT!

Read the books of the Old Testament.

History tends to repeat itself.

Of course Ecclesiastes tells you this.

CCTUTOR68
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 11:56am

I would love to ask "these people" which of the 10 Amendments contained in the "Bill of Rights" do they feel the Governor is violating. 1st? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Which one boys?

water2Wine
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 12:00pm

When Lee Chatfield is gone, and his term does end this year, thing will get better.

Good riddance
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 7:48pm

He won't go far, the family business is preaching and politics, kind of the same thing, nowadays. He'll probably become a swampy lobbyist.

JR
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 12:17pm

I love how these jerks think that they shouldn’t have to tolerate or even obey the decisions of elected officials when they disagree with those officials but when it’s something that they approve of everyone else needs to suck it up and deal. The claim it’s about democracy but democracy is about elected officials making decisions because we vote them into office to do so, even when we don’t like it. Having a hissy fit and showing up with a gun in order to intimidate the lawmakers into doing what we want isn’t democracy, and in doing so these people spit in the face of the very thing they claim to care about.

Further, there is no other reason from bringing firearms to such an event other than to intimidate. It’s about creating fear in order to force lawmakers to do what those with the guns want them to do. It’s the textbook definition of terrorism.

angela.lowry
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 12:35pm

Absolutely illegal. That is the people's house. We will sue you in court when you attempt to limit our 2A rights.

LOL
Sat, 05/02/2020 - 9:07pm

Would that be the court where you are not allowed to bring your guns?

Revere
Sun, 05/03/2020 - 9:07pm

Are you implying that you have to bring guns into a courtroom in order to conduct a lawsuit regarding guns?
Is this how you think?
Are you high?

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