In Michigan, mandatory masks a flash point for violence amid coronavirus

LANSING — Flint police found Calvin Munerlyn lying on the floor of Family Dollar on Friday, unconscious and bleeding from the head after telling a shopper to wear a mask.

The security guard would later die from the gunshot, and prosecutors say he’s the latest victim of a growing threat amid the pandemic: angry customers taking out frustrations about Michigan’s coronavirus rules on retail staffers.

In northern Oakland County, Holly police say they arrested a man Monday who was caught on security cameras wiping his nose on the shirt of a Dollar Tree employee who told him he must wear a mask. Macomb County prosecutors have charged a St. Clair Shores woman on allegations she assaulted a store employee who asked her to wear a mask, and spat at police officers who responded to the scene.


Six weeks into a state lockdown, “people are feeling the cabin fever, and I think they’re going to take it out in this way if we keep going,” said Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton, who on Monday filed criminal charges against three family members accused in the Flint shooting.

Sharmel Teague is accused of yelling at Munerlyn and spitting at him after he told her she needed to wear a mask and instructed a Family Dollar cashier not to serve her without one. Prosecutors say shortly after she left, her husband, Larry Teague, and son, Ramonyea Bishop, returned to the store, and Bishop shot Munerlyn in the back of the head.

Public health officials across the country continue to recommend residents wear masks in public to prevent the spread of the virus. Leyton said he thinks the protests at the Michigan Capitol against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-at-home order and social media posts promoting defiance appear to be “ratcheting up these hostile feelings” amid a vocal minority.

That tension can come to a head in grocery stores and other stores, where “you have the one-on-one contact between the person who is responsible for enforcing it, and the person who doesn’t want to abide by it,” Leyton said.  “People swell out their chest and say, ‘Nobody’s going to tell me what to do.’ The unintended consequence is some fool pulls a gun and fires and takes away a father of nine kids. It’s just tragic.”

Whitmer on April 26 began requiring residents who are physically able to wear masks in enclosed spaces like grocery stores. But her executive order exempts violators from criminal penalty, leaving stores to decide whether or how to enforce the customer policy themselves. 

That puts retailers in a “horrendous position” said Meegan Holland of the Michigan Retailers Association business group, which is urging Whitmer to reconsider her order. 

“Our preference would be to eliminate the requirement to wear masks,” she said. “We think a lot of customers and employees will wear them anyway to feel comfortable and safe, but it’s just impossible to enforce this, especially the way it’s set up right now.”

Some stores already had their own mask policies in place before Whitmer’s order. Others have gone further since, including Menards home improvement store, which now prohibits any children younger than 16 in its stores. 

That’s understandable because “kids touch everything,” Holland said. “Right now, retailers are trying to set up their stores in ways that will minimize touching.”

Holland is coaching retailers on how to handle customer confrontations.

“The hope is that you can defuse the situation and just say, ‘I’m really sorry, but I’m requiring masks as a way to protect my employees and my customers, but I’d be happy to serve you curbside,’” she said. “So you’re not refusing to serve them, but you’re being firm about why it’s so important to wear a mask.”

Whitmer spokesperson Tiffany Brown said Tuesday the administration is not currently considering changes to the mask requirement but “will continue to review all our policies for safety and effectiveness.”

In neighboring Ohio, Gov Mike DeWine recently reversed himself and backed off a mandatory mask policy for the public. 

“It became clear to me that that was just a bridge too far,” Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said Sunday on ABC News. “People were not going to accept the government telling them what to do.”

DeWine continues to encourage the use of masks, however, and he urged customers to wear them in grocery stores to protect “the folks who are stocking shelves.”

In Stillwater, Oklahoma, city officials on Friday enacted a mandatory mask policy but rescinded it later that same day, saying store employees had been “threatened with physical violence” — including one firearm threat — “and showered with verbal abuse.”

Whitmer has called face coverings an important part of the state’s attempt to slow the spread of the virus, which as of Tuesday had killed 4,179 people. The state has confirmed 44,397 since March 10.

Whitmer on Monday offered public condolences to the family of the Flint security guard, Munerlyn, urged Michigan residents to “keep their wits about them” and praised essential workers who remain on the job while other businesses remain closed.

“It is incredible, the people that continue to show up to work to protect everyone else, and it is incredibly sad that in this crisis that this life was lost,” the governor said. 

“We are mindful of how important it is that people continue to keep a level head, that we do the right things protecting ourselves and protecting others.It’s really important that as people go into stores, they think about all the people that are in there that are putting their lives on the line to keep serving us.” 

The Flint shooting was at least the second retail-related crime Leyton’s office is prosecuting. In March, he charged a 26-year-old Mt. Morris man with multiple felonies for allegedly claiming to have COVID-19 and intentionally touching multiple shopping carts inside a Kroger grocery store. 

At the same time, Leyton said his office has been flooded with complaints from residents reporting possible violations of Whitmer’s stay-at-home order, employees who claim they’ve been ordered to come back to work early and businesses who allege their competition is not complying. 

“I have never been busier than I have been since this whole thing started up,” he said.

Leyton defended Whitmer’s executive orders, saying they are “for the good of the health of the entire state” and that compliance now could allow the governor to relax rules sooner. 

The Macomb Daily on Tuesday first reported on criminal charges against 33-year-old Kristin Hoff, a former Roseville mayor candidate who is accused of attacking a worker at Nino Salvaggio’s international grocery store who had asked her to leave because she was not wearing a mask. 

Huff then attacked and spat on police officers who were called to the store, according to the Macomb County Prosecutor’s Office. She’s accused of assault and battery, assaulting/resisting/obstructing police and refusing to be fingerprinted.

“During this unprecedented time, we know tensions are running high. Patience and understanding are greatly encouraged as we all try our best to acclimate to the new and often-changing expectations,” Acting Prosecutor Jean Cloud said in a statement. 

“However, the repeated inappropriate behavior of this suspect cannot be tolerated. This suspect’s repeated actions clearly demonstrated a willful disregard of the safety of those around her.”

St. Clair Shores resident Ed Cardenas witnessed the arrest — but not the initial assault — as he approached the store, which he said has a sign at the entrance informing customers that they needed a mask to enter.

“It was disappointing to see,” he said. “She let her emotions get the best of her in unfortunately attacking an employee who was just doing her job, and then raised it to the next level by assaulting a police officer and spitting in their face while they were just trying to do their job. 

“I thought it was uncalled for. There are other stores to shop at.”

In the Village of Holly, police said Tuesday they’ve made an arrest after seeking public health to identify a man caught on camera accosting a Dollar Tree store employee on Saturday. But they did not offer additional details or respond to an inquiry from Bridge Magazine.

Authorities said Monday the store clerk had told the man, who was not wearing a mask, that all customers must wear face coverings inside the store, as stated at signs posted on the entry doors. The man proceeded to walk over and wipe his nose and face on her shirt. 

He allegedly explained himself to the worker: “Here, I will use this as a mask.”  

Robert Stevenson, executive director of the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police, said he thinks those cases remain “outliers.”

“Probably the most common violation of the emergency order is the congregation of crowds who are meeting without social distancing,” he said. 

Michigan’s Republican-led Legislature last week rejected Whitmer’s request to extend an emergency declaration, but Whitmer responded by issuing new declarations she says will allow her to continue issuing and revising executive orders during the pandemic. 

“Regardless of what you may have heard,” Whitmer’s stay-at-home and business closure orders “are valid and enforceable,” Attorney General Dana Nessel said Tuesday in a new memo to local police

That guidance will be a big help for local law enforcement officials who may have been uncertain given the ongoing legal debate in Lansing, according to Stevenson. 

But he noted there are no penalties for violating the mandatory mask requirement, “so there’s really nothing police departments can do about that particular one.”

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Matt
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 9:01pm

Saw the funniest thing the other day, a guy riding his motorcycle down the road with no helmet, BUT HE WAS WEARING A MASK!!!! ( not one to protect himself from the cold or bugs, a nice white medical one!!)

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:05pm

Way to change the subject and make little of the heinous criminals in the story.

Matt
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 2:07pm

Point that you can't understand is the amount of irrationallity surrounding the whole mask thing.

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 6:02pm

Off topic. Nothing related to wearing a mask in a place of business per rules of the proprietor.

Anne
Tue, 05/05/2020 - 11:54pm

Places near me in the UP are not requiring masks, only about 1/2 the customers wear them and maybe half the staff. I was in an Ace hardware and only 1 staffer had a face covering - his turtleneck was pulled over his mouth. You can't make people wear masks, but I would hope that normal people would not attack others who try to encourage masks or ask them to leave a business. But there are jerks and violent people everywhere who are set off by small things - just look at online comments and social media like facebook and twitter - tech as a social platform is a failure in my opinion more than a success, as it's made us less 'personable', less emphatic, less able to understand others' viewpoints, and causes many people to say or post things online that they would NEVER say to someone's face. Sad state of affairs for humans....

Enforcement
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:07pm

Yeah, they used to say that about smoking/seat belts in cars, until police started ticketing.

CW
Wed, 05/20/2020 - 12:30am

Hopefully jail? You don't have to go to that barber, for one thing. For another, and more importantly, masks don't work! No scientific study says they do! But here is an article with 36 citations that says they don't. Go ahead and wear one if you want, but it is a stupid regulation. I wonder if the people in Midland have to wear them when they are in the shelters, or do you think there will be a huge break out of covid there.

Steve
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:46am

“Regardless of what you may have heard,” Whitmer’s stay-at-home and business closure orders “are valid and enforceable,” Attorney General Dana Nessel said Tuesday in a new memo to local police.

Because you were literally NEVER going to hear Whitmer minions say "These orders are clearly unconstitutional and your enforcement of them may result in being sued personally for abuse of power. We look for a court to publicly set them on fire within the next several days."

Ben Martin
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:40am

HA HA!

The courts will dismiss the claims without a hearing. The Governor has the authority to protect public safety. We are clearly in a pandemic. The evidence clearly shows the orders are slowing the spread. The evidence also shows we haven't met the metrics put out by the federal or state guidelines.

The courts will be rational.

Agree
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:09pm

Ben, seems clear to most people, but most people are not protesting dressed like evil clowns.

LMAO
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 2:25pm

"Evil clowns" I agree. These are the same people who probably like to pee in pools. Ain't nobody gonna tell 'em what to do.

wonder
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 6:04pm

Eh Matt, Kevin, Revere? Do you like to pee in pools? It's a free country, right?

Cindy
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:56am

While I’m hearing everyone blaming Whitmer, there are many others around the country and around the world for that matter imposing lockdowns and quarantines. Personally, I am offended that as an American I can’t drive to Canada as trump closed the border. Imagine that, held captive in your own country! Because our death rate is so much higher than Canada’s I promise that the border closing is not to keep Canadians out. And Trudeau had to beg trump not to use armed border guards. The US government actually wanted to shoot Americans that want to get out. And you’re mad at Whitmer about a mask?

True American
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:11pm

Cindy, I totally agree and want to ask Kevin Grand, where are our rights? Is Trump's America the NEW CUBA?

Kevin Grand
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 3:40am

AG Nessel must have slept through all of the commotion last week.

The state of emergency expired last week when the Michigan Legislature did not extend it. A fact she will be reminded of when she gets slapped down trying to defend her dubious position in court.

As for the private companies, and people need to remember that they are private companies...NOT vassals of Gov. Karen, they should be free to set the policies that THEY see fit.

Businesses need customers now more than ever in order to survive. If they want to make things difficult for someone to make a purchase, there ARE other businesses out there who won't treat those customers as children.

Kevin Grand
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:04am

Those regulations being written or authorized by the legislature.

Not through executive fiat.

Concerned
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:20am

A man wiping his nose on the shirt of a young female employee is about as childish as they come. Who is the one who should be slapped in this situation?

Kevin Grand
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:36am

Don't recall condoning that, either pre OR post Wuhan.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:23am

What exactly are you condoning or promoting, insurrection?

Cite the law
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:12pm

You must have slept through the governor's extension of the order.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 3:15pm

She can say whatever she wants- it isn't legal.

disgusted
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:17pm

Yes, shop elsewhere if you don't want to respect the safety of the business owner, employees, and other customers, as well as their respective families. We hear so much about the fears of suicide from the wacky right because of stay at home orders, but when you try to open the economy, the SAME idiots act suicidally and with malicious intent by not wearing masks where businesses are trying to make a living. It's so ironic. It's like they literally HATE our country.

John Chastain
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 4:47pm

There's nothing quite as childish as a "conservative" sulking over his "rights". Unfortunately, unlike the helmet law, our safety is at stake as well as the fools not wearing masks. But that's okay COVID-19 is a democratic hoax or a Chinese plot or something. Perhaps like HIV its the conservative god's punishment for our many transgressions. Transgressions like civil rights for people who ain't straight, white & a particular sect of Christianity blessed by the DeVos family. Vassals? that's funny I thought it was called citizenship. Used to be part of civics class, guess I'm showing my age. That's from when you didn't openly wear a gun or threaten your political representatives with one. Used to be laws about that, used to be laws that conservatives wanted and supported. That was before the value of aggression and intimidation became more important than old fashion values like citizenship. Who'd of thought.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 1:04pm

Aren't "alotta people saying" they are just crisis actors bought and paid for by the DeVos family? Guess it's the American Way?

Really?
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 5:25pm

Kevin, you say, "As for the private companies, and people need to remember that they are private companies...NOT vassals of Gov. Karen, they should be free to set the policies that THEY see fit." So if they don't wash their hands or properly refrigerate their food, serve spoiled food, don't control mice in their kitchen, there shouldn't be health inspectors? What if your bartender watered down your drinks without your knowledge and packages of food didn't contain the amount/weight claimed? It's no wonder that you like a snake oil salesman president like the Rump. Before regulations, things were bad and We the People said no more. We have to regulate.

My business
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 5:31pm

Kevin, you miss the whole point of the article. Private businesses are saying follow MY rules or go away. Would you feel differently if someone came into your store or restaurant after knowingly walking in dog poop? What if you owned a bakery and someone came in smoking, making your desserts smell like smoke? What if someone else came in chewing tobacco and spitting on your floor? Would you have the right to tell them to leave your business? Take it further, what if all the aforementioned things were also illegal? Would you press charges or call the police?

clueless
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 8:11pm

wh;y do you keep refering to Gov Witmer as Karen?

LMAO
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:26am

Because he's CHILDISH. Such a hypocrite.

Enlightened
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:29am

Kevin calls the governor that for the same reason he calls covid 19 the Wuhan virus. He takes all his cues from Trump, the most childish president in the history of the US.

Bones
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 12:51pm

Because Conservative are too dumb to understand memes or deploy them appropriately

Almighty Dollar
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 8:47am

So let's get this right. a few miscreants act like this, so we should just drop the rule that will help keep thousands of innocent people from dying? Wow. Talk about the inmates running the asylum.

We accept so much debased behavior now in Michigan, it may as well be a Mad Max movie. If every single person spoke out loudly on this issue, people would conform. Sadly, one party thinks "doing your own thing" is the most important "right" we are bestowed with by the "constitution". And that is the party that has been bemoaning the "permissiveness of the 60's" as the reason for all the chaos. Good grief.

Let's grow up for once. DEMAND you wear a mask or are NOT ALLOWED IN CLOSED SPACES. I am certain if they go to work, they would comply or find themselves without a job! Even if stores need to get masks (from the state) to give to these keyless jerks, fine. We cannot have the "weakest links" and the "criminally depraved" dictating public health policy.

Would these "my rights" people even be willing to turn off the lights if an enemy was bombing us, like London in WW II? What is the difference? Wake up people!

Revere
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:36am

Almighty, are you aware of how the Nazi political party exploited the influenza pandemic of 1918-1920(which was a real pandemic, unlike kung flu) to rise to power?
I assure you that a large percentage of these "my rights" people are the people who would die for your freedom, whether you like it or not, whether you asked for it or not, because they would be doing it for the Republic.
Time to rescind the New Deal.
Time to end communism/socialism in this country and send all those who demand it to china.
Time to take back this country.
The Republic will rise again!

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:28pm

Revere, you need your meds. Your platitudes disjointed logic and lies are very scary.

?
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 5:57pm

What does the New Deal have to do with anything?

LMAO
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 11:44am

The New Deal has NOTHING to do with this. Please don't feed the troll.

Bones
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 12:52pm

Beyond parody

middle of the mit
Fri, 05/08/2020 - 6:40pm

You are so full of it.

Hitler was most likely recovering from the first WW during that time.

World War I
World War I, also known as the First World War or the Great War, was a global war originating in Europe that lasted from 28 July 1914 to 11 November 1918. Contemporaneously described as "the war to end all wars", it led to the mobilisation of more than 70 million military personnel, including 60 million Europeans, making it one of the largest wars in history.Wikipedia

The beer hall putsch wasn't until 1923.

Beer Hall Putsch
The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch, and, in German, as the Hitlerputsch, Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch, Bürgerbräu-Putsch or Marsch auf die Feldherrnhalle, was a failed coup d'état by the Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler—along with Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders—to seize power in Munich, Bavaria, which took place on 8–9 November 1923.Wikipedia???

He then spent a few years in jail while he wrote his most famous book.

FAIL!

Anne
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:58am

Well said, and unfortunately, true. People seem to forget that others before us have given a lot more and sacrificed personal freedoms for a time in order to protect everyone, as your WWII reference. I also like to think of Anne Frank and other WWII victims of Nazi persecution - do people think it was easy for her and her family to live in an enclosed attic for 2 years? I bet they didn't complain an iota as much as the doofuses that 'stormed the Capitol'.....

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 6:08pm

Almighty, "Would these 'my rights' people even be willing to turn off the lights if an enemy was bombing us, like London in WW II? What is the difference?" The difference is that the snowflakes who are complaining would be the Germans in that scenario.

Basic Math
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:39am

Kevin=Germany in WW2=Wuhan Virus≠Patriotic American

Nope.
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 8:52am

Much of the Governor’s “order” (really just a suggestion) is not enforceable. She does not have the authority to force you to “stay home”, she does not have the authority to ban people from peaceable assembly. She might be able to to shut down a business through licensing restrictions but that would be adjudicated in court.

Killing someone because they asked you to wear a mask is utterly ridiculous and those people belong in an electric chair.

The Governor has screwed this up from the very beginning and she is now power drunk. I do not wear a mask and I will not wear a mask. I do not have the virus and no one in my family has it. There have only been two cases in my entire county so putting people out of business is absurd.
Living in a free society involves risk, if you do not like the risk then stay home. Just because you are afraid does not me I have to change my life to indulge your fear.

Almighty Dollar
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:17am

Read and comprehend:

Executive Order 2020-4

This order declared a state of emergency across the state of Michigan under section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963, the Emergency Management Act, 1976 PA 390, as amended, MCL 30.401 et seq., and the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945, 1945 PA 302, as amended, MCL 10.31 et seq.

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:38pm

Reminder the legislature did NOT extend the state of emergency after April. We are NO LONGER in a stat of emergency. YOU need to "Read and comprehend" She has violated her powers.

You are such a libtard weak link. Get the hell out of life. Goodbye.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:48am

Did Trump's national emergency expire because I want to go to Canada and that tyrant won't let me leave?

Surprise!
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:57pm

The governor issued new emergency orders! Why? Because she loves us.

FedUpInMIchigan
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:42am

I want to point out that killing someone because you don't want to wear a mask is pretty crappy up too...but that's pretty easy huh? Cause you don't have to look them in the face, you just get the thrill of knowing you took people out and didn't get busted right? That's the thug life G...

"Living in a free society involves risk, if you do not like the risk then stay home. Just because you are afraid does not me I have to change my life to indulge your fear."

Let me start by saying that we have been self isolating for over 3 months now. We wear masks in public--even though I have health problems that would most certainly justify my NOT wearing one...and, we only go out when we MUST get our groceries as we aren't out there snatching up all the food and stuff...so, I and my people are taking all the proper precautions, and suffering the consequences of following the scientific methods to avoid getting COVID19.

That being said...I have surmised the following based upon how you operate your own person through this crisis based on that last line of your post that I quoted here. I do realize that you probably won't understand any of it, other than to rant on about defending yourself and using dumb ass logic to argue with me, and sling threats, but I'm not going to argue with you, I'mma say what I have to say and that's it--just like you did, so live with it. Remember, just because you're angry and fearful, does not mean that I have to change my life to indulge your anger and fears...

Suppose you had a tickle in your throat while you were standing next to me, UNMASKED in a store...based on how you have clearly stated you are, and will continue to treat others, you would have no issue with me busting you in the face for NOT wearing a mask if I felt that you were threatening MY life by coughing all over me? You would fully understand my actions right? You would completely get that I am simply doing what I have been taught to do when I am in a life threatening situation. Right? Because that IS what would happen if someone without a mask coughs on/at me in public--even if I am wearing my mask. If you are close enough for me to punch you in the face, you a violating a law and that puts ME in the right. You are basically terrorizing me by being close enough to get hit in the face by my short ass arms during one of the biggest pandemics the world has ever experienced.

You want to risk YOUR life, your families lives, your friends lives...fine-they're probably the most unfit for survival to begin with (what with natural selection), but you will NOT risk my life just because you feel you have the right to do so. And I don't care what ANYONE says about it, it's MY life, and I have a right to protect it. You can't cherry pick...I will treat you according to your own honor code and actions...if it's screw me, then bet it's gonna be screw you first--because see...what I do...is I survive. Through everything. Child abuse, rape, assault, being victimized as a teen and a kid, homelessness, car accidents, MRSA, you name it, I've survived it, and I will continue to survive it--because THAT is what I've learned in this world. I don't just talk the talk...I will walk the walk even if it means stepping on people like you to do it. You don't care about others? Then I don't give a sh*t about you when you violate me and threaten my survival.

Not wearing a mask in public means that the probability of YOU having the virus is exponentially higher, which means that your breathing within 9 feet of me puts me at risk--especially if I am forced to walk THROUGH the area where you just breathed within half an hour of your breath aerosols being released from your lungs into the air. This is basic science--not an opinion. So, if you're not wearing a mask and catch COVID19, and you give ME your virus, you should be tried with a crime of assault at the very LEAST. Oh, but it can't be traced to you right? Wrong. Your cellphone GPS can tell them whether or not you had close contact with me--or anyone else carrying a cellphone--so you could be busted. But you feel YOU have special rights to disregard the life and liberty of others. You people walk around with your guns acting arrogantly and putting other people at risk because you want what YOU want...well screw that.
Me and MY people want me to be alive and well...and if you wanna go the route of not giving a crap about other people, then I'm going to defend myself...and if I need to blow your nose out with my fist in Dollar General--then it's gonna happen when you cough towards me with your mask less, MAGA wearing ass. I'm quite sure you're wanting to let me know that you are "too busy" to read my long ass reply...but we all know that you're not. You're just selfish and spoiled and arrogant and ignorant. So don't bother replying because I have been "trolled" by hundreds just like you.

Susan Robertson
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:56am

Hear, hear! Thank you SO much for articulating my own thoughts and feelings as I continue to read articles and hear people whine about something so simple and so lifesaving. When I saw the video of the idiot who wiped his nose on the clerk's shirt, I wished he'd done that to me, so I could have broken his nose and knocked him on his butt, if only I weren't so old and tippy.

My anger at these people has been disturbing me, until I read your comment. OF COURSE I'm angry. EVERY right-headed person in Michigan should be angry.

Thank you again for your well thought out comment.

Amen
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:50pm

Fed up, a lot of people feel your same frustration. I think none of the people who disagree would want anyone to wipe their nose on, spit on, or shoot them, let alone punch them. Peace to you and yours. We have to show we are better than them. Like you said, they can be found in many ways. We all hope that the criminals are prosecuted and go to jail.

Just Try It
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:47pm

The only one preaching thug attitude here is you. You're a simp and you can go ahead and swing at me. But you imply the person will cough at you. If you feel so threatened that someone near you coughs, but not at you. Then you have one hell of a fragile immune system there you libtard. You are the one that will fail at Darwinism if you think for a second your precious face mask paranoid wearing ass is evolutionary strong.

No you're stupid. You're a sheep. The ones like me who have to have my life infringed upon because YOU are SCARED of a simple virus. Well fuck off you damn tyrant. I will not be dictated by someone who if they ARE so weak to die to this virus they SHOULD die out and let the strong survive. Every god damn time I had a problem or wasn't strong enough. It was always who cares. Get over it. "Tough" Well this time, you fucking bullies. :
I will scream out loud "TOUGH!" Now it's your turn to not be strong enough you hide and whine like babies cause you can't take a flu. HEaven forbid people like me who NEVER get a flu and don't have to worry about this shit can live a normal life. Ugh, you make me sick. So go ahead and hit me. But that one punch I will defend myself against your life. So die by the weak ass virus or die by me, I don't care as long as people like me don't have to live under your rule there Stalin!

Justice
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:52am

Um, Just, the thugs are the Republitards who refuse to wear masks on private property, who shot employees, wipe their noses on them, and spit on police. So you advocate as an accessory after the fact to criminals.

Happy Mother's Day!
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:59am

You have anger issues, Just Try It. I bet you've been told that a lot. Hate kills. Your immune system is probably not as strong as you think, like John McDaniel. He sounded a lot like you before he died from COVID19 exposing others along the way. While you think you are so strong and macho, maybe your grandma or mom aren't.

Rose
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 2:15pm

Well put. Your right to act like everything is normal ends where my right to stay healthy and not die begins. Period.

Maria Gershanwin
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:07pm

Is that quote from the Constitution? Or the Michigan Bill of Rights? I looked in both and I couldn't find it. Is there somewhere else in the Constitution or the Michigan or Federal Bill of Rights which says that my rights are conditioned on you feelings? I'll look it up, if you can just cite the legal justification for your argument.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 11:46am

Yes, "Maria" everyone else has the same freedom you enjoy and yours stops where ours starts.

NO SOUP FOR YOU
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:39pm

Nope., the article is not about the governor's emergency powers. It's about the rights of shopkeepers on private property to enforce emergency rules for customers that she recommends and they support. “People swell out their chest and say, ‘Nobody’s going to tell me what to do.’ The unintended consequence is some fool pulls a gun and fires and takes away a father of nine kids. It’s just tragic.” Electric chair? If you think violence is the answer for everything, you aren't much better than the shooter.

A shopkeeper trying to make a living and employing others who are trying to support families should be able to enforce the governor's reasonable emergency rules on their private property without being killed or threatened with a contagious disease. Just shop somewhere else. Don't be a douchebag. Everyone shopping at those stores is expected to comply with the same rules. If you want to shop there, you have to "change your life."

Get real
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:46am

Nope., the governor absolutely has the power to regulate freedom of peaceful assembly, even without a state of emergency.

Have you ever heard of curfews?
Have you ever tried to have a parade without a permit?

There are NO absolute constitutional rights, they are all subject to reasonable state regulations.

Rose
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 8:55am

OK, Shirkey, Chatfield, et. al., who support defying the governor because she is from a different political party than yours, support the "peaceful protesters," and support "it is my god-given RIGHT to do whatever I want at the expense of others' health and safety" -- will you NOW speak out against these things? Will you NOW try to calm the emotions you have inflamed so that you can impress the DeVos family, the president, and whomever you are beholden to? Will you EVER do the right thing? Or is murder (on top of over 4,000! COVID deaths) just fine with you? Sadly, I already know the answer to these questions.

Are you that cl...
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:37am

Despite what mindless lackeys like you are told to think, the GOVERNOR gave the mandatory order to wear masks, so these deaths are on HER head.

old hippie
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:02pm

Masks don't kill people. Guns kill people.
And the Covid-19. And spreading it around because of a selfish attitude a person has that they are more important than the lives of the people around them.
Here's a fact: "Ninety percent of the people who were PCR positive had no capability of working from home during shelter in place. These were frontline workers, they had to work outside of the home..........” Dr. Diane Havlir, chief of the UCSF Division of HIV, Infection, and Global Disease at San Francisco General.
There is going to be a 2nd wave and it will be sad to see upwards of 2,000 / day in new deaths. The only plus side will be that most of those will be the one's defying lawful, constitutional orders to wear masks and wash their hands. Those who think they are more important than our lives.

A Yooper
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:02am

No shirt no service.
No shoes no service.
Weapons not allowed on premises.
No mask, no service.
If business staff don't wear masks, tell them you are leaving. No mask no money from me.
Get what you can online. I do.
It's our $$ and if they want it they do as we need to do for our own safety.

Revere
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:38am

Yooper,
You've lost it.
I'll buy you a ticket to china - You would love it there - They will tell you what to think about EVERYTHING!
What do you say? Economy class to beijing? Offer is on the table!

To dopey
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:05pm

A Yooper, is ABSOLUTELY correct. NO SHOES, NO SERVICE. NO MASK, NO SERVICE.

Thanks
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:11pm

Revere, hope you don't mind. I'm teaching a class of elementary students on how to spot a Russianbot troll.

Kids,
Notice how there is no reference to the article? Notice how the post is the same as on other threads? Notice there is no evidence of critical thinking?

Eh?
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 11:43am

Revere, maybe Trump's buddy Xe can help with that, like he helped Ivanka.

PLombard
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:50am

It's interesting we've lived through years of "No shirt, no shoes, no service" without the populace up in arms - demanding the right to enter a store or restaurant without a shirt and shoes. Public health has seemingly temporarily added a third item, which is the straw that broke the camel's back. (I thought everyone was cool with the 'rule of three.') I admit I could be wrong, I'm not as certain of myself as others seem to be.

LOL
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:13pm

I bet Revere has no problem with Ariana Grande licking cupcakes in a store.

nick
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:22am

If the President led by example, I'm guessing these issues would not be as prevalent. But he and Pence continue to flaunt these restrictions and support folks who do. Leadership is important in these trying times - we are not all on the same page, and consistency is important in fighting this pandemic.

Bottom Up Leadership
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:16pm

Oh you mean like when Trump & Co toured a mask-making factory wearing goggles, but no mask while the workers were all wearing masks?

Trump declined to wear a mask at a mask making factory — despite signs displayed that they were required — in a visit that featured music usually played at his campaign rallies
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-visits-mask-factory-wears-only-gog...

Bow to the Queen
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:40am

I wonder, they all of these things happened as a direct result of her orders, will Queen Whitmer take credit for this death? I'm surprised that she took time out of her busy full time national media "aren't I awesome" VP audition to offer up some canned platitudes for the family of the person who was killed.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 11:31am

Bow, she's more like a duchess to an orange emperor with no clothes.

EB
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:20am

We the People of Michigan, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish these temporary public health rules.

Note that the absence of the word "I" in this minor modification of the U.S. Constitution preamble and in the preamble itself.

It's temporary, it's necessary, it shows that you have respect and concern for your fellow citizens. Wear the mask!

EB
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:32am

If you have governor, who won a recent statewide election with 53.3% of the vote vs. a legislature with members who were nearly all gerrymandered into office, not elected into office, which of the two "authorities" actually have legitimate authority?

Because of widespread gerrymandering, I personally don't view either of our legislative bodies as legitimate. They represent the most radical elements of their parties, the people who turned out for their partisan primaries, the only legislative elections that matter in Michigan. They don't represent the majority in Michigan.

Members of the legislature can bellow about health rules all they want. Darn few actually won their seat legitimately and none of them represent me.

My deference goes to legitimately elected officials, example, our governor, and every other official who legitimately won statewide elections.

Jonah212
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:45am

I have great difficulty understanding the rationale of people who fight the notion to wear a mask. The mask helps protect the person entering a business establishment and it helps protect the staff of the establishment. The mask also helps the people who you come in close contact to. It is simple to wear a mask and, frankly, it is idiots and the far righters like Kevin Grand who oppose wearing masks. But...God help them if they develop the virus and/or pass it on to their family members. We will hear their cries of help but never their cries that they were foolish!

Kevin Grand
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:00pm

Hey, if you want to wear a mask, knock yourself out.

While you're at it, what other "you're too stupid to think for yourself, so I'll do it for you"-ideas do you propose?

The phobias that you like to project on everyone, remind me of this line from an old movie, "Smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don't have a license. "

Think of all of the lives that will be saved through YOUR benevolent orders?

OABTW, what do you propose when summer comes and the temps start reaching the 80's & 90's?

How long do you realistically think that people will be wearing masks as much as YOU would like them to?

That out of the way, just like everything else in life, I'll take my chances.

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:29pm

So Kevin why do you or anyone else wear clothes?

LOL
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:30pm

He wears clothes because it's the law. He obeys the dictates of the queen.

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:33pm

Kevin, you better hope when you have surgery that the surgeon and staff all agree to wear a mask in the hospital.

middle of the mit
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 4:06pm

kAren gRand,

{{{While you're at it, what other "you're too stupid to think for yourself, so I'll do it for you"-ideas do you propose?

The phobias that you like to project on everyone, remind me of this line from an old movie, "Smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don't have a license. "}}}

Alcohol IS illegal in dry counties in the South. They are all conservative. And bad language? Have you heard George Carlins bit about the 7 dirty words you can't say on broadcast anything? Who do you think did that?

And now on to the things you believe;
Illegal cannabis,NO motor voter registration, NO vote by mail, voter fraud, trickle down economics, conservatives are the only ones that want to work, conservatives are the only ones who are patriotic, rural areas are the economic engines of the country, minimum wages drive inflation but multi million dollar pay packages don't - they drive incentives for the company to..........do what? Raise prices?

I could keep going on but you could all show us this is fake if the Faux Snooze team would come back in studio and you took a job at a meat packing plant.

I won't hold my breath

Ohh! Spicy things will NEVER be illegal!

Free the jalapenos!!!!

Kevin Grand
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 8:05pm

So, did you find that post I allegexy made, skippy?

Based upon your rambling, I'm going with no.

middle of the mit
Fri, 05/08/2020 - 7:17pm

What is wrong kAren?

Can't handle the back and forth?

Don't want to admit when you hate the disabled?

Or is it that you can't back up your own talking points?

So then you do what? Ad hominem attacks?

Force ME to show the World what you say you want to do disabled people?

Here it is AGAIN kAren!!

https://www.bridgemi.com/children-families/northern-michigans-disability...

Kevin Grand
Tue, 04/11/2017 - 9:24am

This program is mainly a scam and has been clearly documented as such about four years ago by 60 Minutes and a US Sentate Committee on Govermental Affairs.

As a matter of fact, one of the programs rewarded bureaucrats for signing up as many people as they could as a sign of the program's "effectiveness".

That system might work great when you are spending other people's money with little to no regard for accountability.

But with Tax Day looming in just one week, I doubt that you would find very many people who share that sentiment.////

OWN IT!!

I promise you if I am wrong about Northern MI being a COVID hotspot at sometime during the summer, I will own it.

I already said that people up here are torn. Some don't want those from downstate up here. The business owners do. The workers?

I have already adjusted my "perception" on what I see going on around me. They don't think it is anything.

You better hope it is nothing.

I WILL GLADLY BE PROVEN WRONG. And unlike any conservative I will admit it~!

But that isn't what is going to happen.......is it?

Revere has already told us that yes, those AR-15's aren't for hunting animals, they are for defending conservatives against liberals or government.

Do you consider me an animal?

I am a DemonRAT, or is it DemocRAT?

Ladies and gentlemen.......I give you........

The Law and Order party.

Concerned
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:55am

You need to watch Plandemic on utube. You will think differently about masks as well as other things this film brings to light.

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:34pm

I know, I wonder whether these people ever watch such movies. They ring so true to reality.

Bones
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 1:01pm

Plandemic is misinformation made by grifters; Dr Mikovits is an anti-vaxx crank, her study was retracted for having shoddy methodology, and she's been discredited by the broader scientific community. Why is this state so full of morons, and why do they all feel compelled to comment here?

Data Soong
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 3:22pm

From the start of March to now, the group of billionaires’ total wealth has increased by $308 billion. Amazon founder and CEO Jeff Bezos' already incredible wealth soared an additional $25 billion during the pandemic. Eric Yuan, the founder and CEO of Zoom, the now ubiquitous online video conferencing technology company, realized a rapid rise in his wealth throughout the outbreak. Former Microsoft chief Steve Ballmer and Elon Musk, each saw their fortunes jump by more than $1billion dollars. Bill Gates is about $6 billion richer than he was last year at this time.

Little fish BIG pond
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:49am

I have read all of these comments, and it seems as if it is a tennis match of who is right and who is wrong. I just want to say there are law abiding citizens in the middle of this bickering.

I am a CPL holder, I am a Father, I am a Husband. I also believe in having rights. I also believe in the law. My family and I all wear masks. That is OUR choice. We want to protect OURSELVES. If someone in public is endangering any of us WE BELIEVE in defending OUR safety. If you are walking down an isle and don't have a mask on that is YOUR choice but we have a choice to go down another isle or leave.

We don't make waves we just survive. I will do what is needed to protect my family but if that means you or me it's going to be me. As I would expect anyone else to do.
I am just saying we all have a right to choose to wear a mask for protection or not but who are any of you to try and ORDER me to do anything. If I am obeying the law and protecting my family that is all I need. YOU DO YOU and WE WILL DO US!
It's plainly obvious mind your own business but don't infringe on anyone's elses, obey the law and stay home!

Anonymous
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:40pm

Little fish, you must not do much grocery shopping. Not only must you wear a mask, if the owner requires it, but you have to walk in a direction, ONE WAY, with social distancing. So if you are behind or between people who refuse to wear a mask/take off their mask. You are stuck dealing with their germs. When you are in MY store, that IS my BUSINESS, literally. I have the right to refuse service to people putting me, my family, my employees, and my customers at risk. I really appreciate the governor's leadership, despise the lack of leadership by orange diaper man baby.

David
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 12:16pm

Stores enforce the NO Shirt, No Shoes, No Service all the time without violence. Why is No Mask, No Service such a hot button? Stores should be able to enforce any rule they want.

AA
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 1:41pm

Bars MUST refuse to serve to drunks.

So David...
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 2:18pm

Honestly asking: then should a Christian bakery be forced to bake a cake supporting ideals or lifestyles that contradicts their faith?

This is a yes or no question.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:19pm

Religion and public health are two separate things.

middle of the mit
Fri, 05/08/2020 - 8:00pm

If you are open for business to the public, I can't understand why you think baking a cake means that you are participating in anything other than the transaction that your business took money for.

Were you present at the ceremony? Would you feel slighted if the gay persons brother/sister stood in for the actual groom/bride and would you even know if they did?

Does it harm you in any way?

NO?

You participate in so many other things that God deems Abhorrent that you don't even know about.

Why not complain about that?

Instead you want to shove your freedumbs down other peoples throats.

Yes!

If you are open for business to the public, you should serve the public.

But what if they don't wear clothing in the store?

Take your reductio ad absurdum attacks somewhere where they belong.

n logic, reductio ad absurdum, also known as argumentum ad absurdum, apagogical arguments, negation introduction or the appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.Wikipedia

Yet......that is always where conservatives arguments lead to. The extreme.

They say same thing about the left........but where has the country gone towards more?

After the left taking two steps to the right for every 3 steps the right has taken to the right for the last 40 years, We are where we are and when the left grabs a hold of the rope and starts pulling back?

SOCIALISM!!!

While the big banks skim off the top of welfare and foodstamp benefits and small business loans and those are given to big business for more fees.........and actual small business is left lagging and suffering what do these Patriots say?

OPEN UP or we will take away your unemployment!!

It is happening in all the conservative states.

Matt, you worried about this. I told you what was going to happen. You are a smart business person. Why were you LYING to the people and your employees? Texas is doing it. So is Ohio.

Thank you Governor Gretchen for NOT succumbing to the republicans!

Jrfree
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 2:11pm

But no one cares about seatbelt laws.... drunk driving laws.......speeding......the list goes on and on and on....insurance companies are behind making laws that tell us what to do all the time.......and what's the problem with wearing masks while we're in the middle of a pandemic??

Doby Joe
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 3:27pm

Does anyone else wonder how many thousands less people in Michigan would have died if the Governor had spent her time and energy on protecting those in state-supervised and state-regulation nursing homes and hospitals? 90% of the Governor's time is composed of bad-mouthing protesters, issuing rules on buying garden equipment, and going on national TV- maybe if she spent half that time running the executive branch better, thousands less would be dead?

This thing isn't tricky- protect vulnerable populations and the death rates fall. Other states and countries have figured it out. The Governor's efforts are not to 'save lives', but to control others, award no-bid deals to her allies, and consolidate decision making authority in her hands. It's a power grab.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:21pm

No

Anna
Sat, 05/09/2020 - 12:33pm

I agree with you 100% that Gov. Whitmer's orders would be better accepted if they really did concentrate on protecting Michigan's most vulrnerable residents instead of trying to micro-mananage Michigan's businesses via Executive Order. Infection control in nursing homes, rehab hospitals, and assisted living facilities has been very laxly regulated and even more laxly enforced for years now. That is a national issue I'd love to see her talking up in the national press. It's sorely needed and perhaps Governor Whitmer could save many hundreds of lives were she to lend some of her glamour and national press attention to improving infection control in congregate care facilities.

I will go on to say that the early messaging from the CDC, Federal and state governments that "a face mask will not protect you from catching COVID-19" did immeasurable harm, and has reduced the willingness of the population at large to wear masks now that they are being recommended / required. Although the goal of "saving" the most effective masks for medical staff on the front lines was noble and public spirited, deliberately distorting the science in that way has backfired, mostly without having materially helped hospitals or other facilities get the PPE they needed.

I fully expecct that the distorted science and politicized statistics that Gov. Whitmer's Executive Orders and Phased Re-Opening represent will also result in poorer public health and economic outcomes, compared to what she could have achieved by tailoring regulations for public and workplace behavior to account for the very different industries, economic pressures, and corona virus infection incidence in different counties/regions of Michigan.

middle of the mit
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 5:08pm

Having read the article along with Phil Powers editorial and the comments, there is really only one conclusion one can logically come up with.

The vitriol is from a small faction of the Republican party, and some anarchists. Sure there are vitriolic comments from me and other left leaning commenters. But how do you respond to comments that tell you they don't have to listen to anyone but themselves? What comments would I get if I told you all I was the best driver in the world and I will drive any way I want and on any side of the road I want and you need to get out of my way?

This is the language they are using.

The elected Republicans in our State, other States and around the nation are challenging laws and Government officials who don't bend to their minority will. They are willing to be confrontational even if employers use the Governors or the CDC guidelines and there are guards or law enforcement enforcing those standards for the employer. I saw that Menards has a policy of not allowing children under the age of 16 in store. Did the Governor make that mandate? Will conservatives blame those that take it out on store employees or will they continue to let those people shirk responsibility and blame Governor Gretchen?

They will blame the Governor. Apparently there is no such thing as self-regulation.

They think they know more and that they run what they want to be run and to He@! with you if you get in my way.

Elected Republicans should be held accountable for embracing this tactic and encouraging it amongst their electorate.

Leaders Shirkey and Chatfield should have shirts made for them for this fall that read;
Remember what republicans did this summer.

All of northern MI will be a COVID hot spot this summer. It's just the flu.

Remember what Republicans are going to do this summer, this November.

And when the North is closed by July and into August because we are the new hot spot, DON'T blame the Governor!

Remember and vote them out in November!

Carolyn
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 9:34pm

It is not the responsibility of store employees to enforce Michigan the law. Let a law enforcement agency be contacted to take any action necessary.

Please
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:26pm

Caroline, the employees are enforcing the laws of the business owners which happen to correspond with best practices advocated by the governor. Meanwhile slimy people like you spit at police, wipe your noses on employees, and kill employees. So please just stay the hell out of my store.

Tired of dumb in GOP
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 6:00pm

Hey Carolyn, do you sell or serve alcohol to minors?

Patrick McPharlin
Wed, 05/06/2020 - 10:26pm

First, I think we all can agree that no policy to fight the virus will be perfect, nor will everyone agree with the policy.

The individuals who are reacting irrationally or with violent behavior are not part of a movement or reaction to the mask requirement. They are individuals with other personal emotional or mental issues.

To attribute their actions as being symbolic of the attitudes of the general public in Michigan is totally inappropriate and inaccurate. It is similar to presenting the yelling gun carrying individuals as representative of all Michiganders.

The great majority of the people support the general policies to control the spread of the virus. They may disagree with the details however they agree with the general principles. Some are on the side of greater controls and others to fewer regulations and freedom of movement. All are concerned about their jobs and the economy. Each individual and their families are impacted differently by the rush to their health and economic future.
It is not a matter of good versus evil on either side of the policy issues. It is each individuals perception of the relative risk/reward of the policies.

To focus on the exceptional individuals and not the general population is an unjustice to all. To focus on the individual detail of the policy rather than the intent and if the policy as a whole is in the best interest of people.

Subee
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 12:21pm

People must have teeny, weeny intellectual lives and emotional maturity if they are going to get their panties in a wad over wearing a mask.
We can postulate that not requiring mask wearing will add to the Covid burden society has to bear. So it's okay to drain the financial resources of hospitals, jeopardize the health of medical workers, have to close down businesses when the communal viral load is high....these things are OK because you need to exert your lack of constitutional authority (yeah, right...like you know anything about constitutional law)? When you refuse to wear a hemlet, we ALL have to chip in for YOUR hospital and nursing home bills. If you don't want to conform to the needs of a civilized society, please move to Alaska where you can live pretty much without other humans. And take anger management classes while you are there with nothing to do. OR learn to do something constructive with your life like evolving.

Tim W
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 8:11am

In nearly 80 years, the US went from "What can we do to help win?" to "My freedoms!"

James Francious
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:05am

Be sure to highlight the White people, "see white people do bad things too".
So tired of the anti-white propaganda all day everyday by all media.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 6:04pm

I'm white and you need to accept there is white privilege. Stop acting like you are a victim.

Praise God
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 6:06pm

There there, there are good white people too. They aren't all like the lunatic protesters who get away with threatening officials and lynch someone for jogging while black.

CVG
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 10:52am

People, take a breath. Step back. Use common sense. Don't want to wear a mask? Stay out of the store! Killing and assaulting others because you don't want to wear a mask or stay 6 feet away from another, that's a mental health issue! How did we (Americans) get here? How can we possibly defend these actions? The problem is not mandating masks. The problem is them vs us hatred permeating our country.

Tyna make it
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:29pm

When you need the job and can't get sick pay, you gotta do what you gotta do, work. It don't make sense to irritate employees that might be preparing your food and might be sick.

Kazoo86
Thu, 05/07/2020 - 5:34pm

The COVID-19 experience is something very few of us have ever experienced. But we must remember we will be living with these folks after this is all over. Therefore, we must maintain community and social standards! Wearing or not wearing masks is a two way street. Think of your family members and friends, what ever you decide. I beg our long gun toting protestors to respect our Capitol. I doubt anyone world carry a long gun into the hall of King George III, you would be shot on sight. So don’t play the Constitutional card with me, you insult it and what it stands for, plus those that died creating it. Come on people, Americans are truly better than this. Vent your anger some other way. I see we have the 0.01%, further reducing the rights of the 99.99%. Perhaps the 99.99%, should take away the long arms and see where that leaves the protesters? This could go on, enough said!

Barb Z-B
Mon, 05/11/2020 - 8:45am

In going over the many responses to Covid-19 restrictions and face mask wearing, I'm reminded of the foment Russian bots, etc caused during the 2016 election. We may be anxious and stressed by the pandemic but let's not let reactions and stress take hold of our public announcements. Tolerance and second thoughts are in order to keep our responses civil. To get through this, we need to remember that we are stronger working together.

Juliet Bickert
Mon, 06/29/2020 - 9:40am

I went to the Quality Dairy in Okemos on Sunday, June 28 and was shocked and terrified at what I observed. Two people in their twenties were not wearing masks, and two older men were also not wearing masks. When I brought this to the attention of the cashiers, I was told that masks were not required if health issues prevented the person from wearing one. Well, all of the people looked perfectly healthy to me. I kept my distance from one man in particular and he said to me, "you better stay away from me", to which I replied that he had no right to put my health in jeopardy, and he said, I'm not. When I left the store, I saw four more people enter, without masks. My issue is this, if masks are required as a means to slow infection rates, why isn't it being enforced? Will I, and the state of Michigan end up suffering because so many people are failing to take this situation seriously. I am part of a vulnerable population, and if I do not shop, I do not eat. What can be done to educate the population to the gravity of the situation. In addition, I believe no citizen has the right to put my health, and life on the line. We must all come together and follow the guidelines if we are ever going to be able to contain this situation and lead somewhat normal lives.

Phil Sheridan
Fri, 07/31/2020 - 1:52am

Citizens of Michigan: I am pretty sure not all of you are are ignorant but all of you are lumped into this category: that of a foolish, stupid uneducated section of this country - lumped in with Minnesota and many of the southern states. How does that make you feel?