Whitmer asks Pence to discourage protests, worries about spreading coronavirus

“If discouraging protests is something you could consider doing, I'd really be grateful,” MIchigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told Vice President Pence on a conference call with other governors. (Bridge file photo by Dale Young)

LANSING — Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Monday asked Vice President Mike Pence to discourage continued Capitol protests over her coronavirus quarantine orders and expressed concern demonstrators may have carried the virus to rural parts of the state. 

“If discouraging protests is something you could consider doing, I'd really be grateful,” Whitmer told Pence on a conference call with other governors, according to audio obtained and reported by ABC News.

The first-term Democratic governor also urged the Republican vice president to “reinforce kind of those needs to take this seriously, to continue, you know, everyone doing their part” during a pandemic that had killed 4,674 in Michigan through Tuesday morning. 

Whitmer’s plea comes ahead of another protest planned for Thursday at the Michigan Capitol, where demonstrators flouted social distancing guidelines and face mask recommendations while protesting the governor's stay-at-home order at large gatherings on April 15 and 30.

“What we have seen from initial protests here is that we've got COVID-19 spreading in rural parts of our state, from which people traveled,” Whitmer reportedly told Pence.

“And so, our ability to move on to the next phase and keep re-engaging our economy. I'm just concerned about it. We're going to keep watching those numbers and doing the tests."

It’s not immediately clear how or if Whitmer would know exactly where protesters traveled to Lansing from. A medical advocacy group recently published cell phone tracking data purporting to show where roughly 300 people “fanned out” after the May 15 protest, but the group has not produced data to back up its claims.

COVID-19 case counts have risen in some rural communities in recent weeks, but daily case counts have dropped statewide and remain most prevalent in metro Detroit.

In the Monday call with governors, Pence reportedly complimented Whitmer and Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan for progress in Detroit but did not directly address her request to discourage protests.

"We will continue to emphasize to people the safe and responsible practices while we all move toward re-opening,” he said. 

Whitmer made a similar request in an April 20 call with Pence, asking the White House to “reiterate the importance of staying home until we get these (COVID-19) numbers down and we can start to reopen.”

Days earlier, President Donald Trump had appeared to stoke protesters with a short tweet: “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” 

Following the April 30 protest in Lansing, which made international news after armed demonstrators entered the Michigan Capitol with rifles, Trump called protesters “very good people” and suggested Whitmer should “give a little, and put out the fire.”

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus task force response coordinator, said earlier this month on Fox News that images of Michigan Capitol protesters not wearing masks or socially distancing was "devastatingly worrisome to me, personally."

Following online threats against the governor and stalled debate over whether it is time to ban guns in the Capitol, Whitmer on Monday asked Republican leaders to help “lower the heat” by denouncing violent rhetoric.

House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, did so Monday evening, saying that while he disagrees with many of Whitmer’s decisions and supports the right to protest, “those making physical threats (to both parties) are out of line and should be punished.” 

“It’s despicable. It’s wrong. It needs to stop,” Chatfield wrote.

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, spoke out in a floor speech Tuesday. 

“I rise today to condemn the individuals who have populated a number of social media posts with crude, violent and threatening messages about our governor,” Shirkey said. “Those folks are thugs, and their tactics are despicable.”

Shirkey, however, said Michigan citizens have contacted lawmakers to complain about the Whitmer’s orders and protested peacefully without the threat of violence. And the GOP-led Legislature, which has urged Whitmer to reopen the economy at a faster pace and sued to challenge her emergency authority, has heard those calls, he said. 

“We are listening,” Shirkey said, “to the many, many voices who are questioning our governor and the one-size-fits-all heavy-handed blunt force instrument of government that has been used to stifle our ability to make progress from living in fear, towards learning to live with this insidious virus.”

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Revere
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 8:59am

Love the "Stop the VP Audition" sign.

Whitler will never pass Biden's sniff test, she is way too old. I don't think he goes for anyone over 15.

Kevin
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 11:46am

Hey Revere,

You complain about Whitmer but your guy Pence shows up to Mayo and refuses to wear a mask and about a week later his close aide (press secretary) tests positive for Covid-19.

You support complete morons "Revere". Why don't you use your
real first name?

Revere
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 1:44pm

My Pence?
What the heck are you talking about? I've made it pretty clear that I'm not a Trump lover.
Also, if you knew anything about American history, you brain-dead communist slag, you'd know my first name is Paul.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:01am

My real first name is Joker.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:01am

Don't you dare steal my name, Joker! You git on outta here!

middle of the mit
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 7:41pm

You loved the sign, I loved what was in the foreground.

I am still waiting for the snowflakes to get on their boats.

Though I believe this weekend you and me will be seeing some visitors!

Better hope those "individualist thinking" people from down south don't spread it to you and your community!!!

#OPEN UP!! #Give 'em what they want!

#Remember in November!!

Jim Pearson
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 1:40pm

Revere, comments like yours are wrong. He is on video and lots of pictures as having inappropriately touched lots of women over the age of 15. Yes, he sniffed a couple little girls hair. But he also groped other women at other events over the years too.

Cindy L
Sat, 05/16/2020 - 8:48am

That's just gross. She may not even want the VP spot. SHE has never even acknowledged being on the list. Maybe stick to the issues, if you remember what they are. You've put yourself in the sandbox with Trump, whether you support him or not.

10x25mm
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 9:28am

President Trump could reason with most of the protesters who vex our Governor, but not Vice President Pence. Invoking Pence will not get Whitmer anywhere; he has little base in Michigan.

This is what happens when you get too big for your britches and don't bank political favors for the future. More accommodating behavior and fewer infuriating lies about the protesters would have also improved her field position.

I am your father
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:04am

Thank you, Mr. Machiavelli.

Rick
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:24am

Ask Pence to do something? Everyone knows Pence is just a wooden, empty suit who does nothing (except standing around Trump, looking serious and nodding tirelessly).

Anonymous
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 2:05pm

Great point. I was hoping that someone would come on here and make personal attacks- mission accomplished!

Conservative Jesus
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:07am

I agree, Pence is just an unscrupulous head-nodder and no mission is not accomplished.

Thor of the North
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:37am

Interesting comment from the Gov.
“What we have seen from initial protests here is that we've got COVID-19 spreading in rural parts of our state, from which people traveled,” Whitmer reportedly told Pence.
Funny thing is the number of people from the infected areas that came north, and still are, to 'Stay At Home' and this was BEFORE the protests.
Sorry Gov we ain't smelling what you are selling.....

Kevin
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 11:38am

All the anti lockdown ****stirrers offer are insults, threats, flags of
literal traitors and swastikas.

The last protest was a debacle and showed how unhinged these people are.

rougarou
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 1:53pm

I read that confusion and a loss of sense of smell are a Covid-19 symptoms. Have you been tested?
Rural cities and states who had no shelter plans and those who recklessly opened up all businesses are spiking way, way high with new cases.
Interesting to note (sadly) now that young children are falling ill to a new symptom or mutation, I don't hear any more chatter about how the elderly and sick are "expendable".

Revere
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 5:35pm

Rougaru,
You disgusting brain-dead communist,
How the hell do you think people in Rural areas survive? They work.
And FYI the flu kills upwards of a hundred children within a few months... Coronavirus is nothing like that. Giant hoax.
Now drink your kool-aid and keep walking off that cliff.

Smiles Y'all
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:13am

Yeah and Thor Baby ignores that there were also snowbirds from other states infecting the north, delivery drivers, truckers, but it only takes one infected person to spread the virus, so church gatherings and protests don't help stop the spread, they help increase the spread. You people who think this is a joke haven't seen anything yet. Winter is coming or as we like to say in the Bible book of Revelation, the Apocalypse.

Jacqueline
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:40am

The camouflaged thugs, carrying rifles, is not a peaceful protest. If you choose to protest, wear a mask and carry a sign. Your guns are meant to intimidate and indicate your immaturity and irresponsibility. Too bad VP Pence hasn’t a backbone.

Terry
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 11:40am

Jacqueline The "camouflaged thugs" are protesting peacefully. Can you say the same for the leftist black clad Antifa group that has attacked, intimidated and severely injured people and journalists at their "protests"? Who are the real "thugs" here? And they don't need your PC advice to wear masks. They aren't afraid to show their faces unlike the cowardly Antifa thugs. Their guns are their signs. Proclaiming they're standing up for their constitutional rights and resisting a misguided and tyrannical governor. Too bad your ilk haven't a backbone to demand your rights as citizens and instead submit to despotic power hungry people.

Melissa
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 1:54pm

You sound ignorant. Why aren’t you supporting the governor to save lives of our citizens? You’d rather continue to buck the system by not social distancing or wearing masks? It’s not PC it’s about FACTS and SCIENCE. It’s people like you making it about the politics are why many more Michiganders will suffer more senseless deaths. Shame on you!

Pug Gargarin
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:42pm

I think it's because he feels that the Governor's shut down orders are killing people, violating civil liberties, mocking our system of government, destroying our schools and roads, and bankrupting the citizens of Michigan. Let's break this statement down since you're a moron.

Governor Whitmer is killing people with the shut down. The shut down orders are leading to increased unemployment, and increased unemployment leads to higher numbers of deaths due to suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, and lowered medical care. The shut down orders are keeping people away from cancer screenings, vaccinations, heart checks, and preventive medicine, all of which together are projected to lead to thousands more dead.

The Governor is threatening those who protest (protected under the 1st amendment), threatened to shut down churches (protected under the 1st amendment), bad mouths those who legally carry firearms (protected under the 2nd), puts people under house arrest without them having committed any crimes, ignores the Legislature, legislates from the executive office, awards contracts without oversight, and ignores FOIA requests.

The Governor's shut down orders (which she continues to attempt to enforce) are leading to less sales and income tax revenue and are leading to increased costs of unemployment and Medicaid. These increased costs and decreased revenues will destroy the budget, causing massive destruction to Michigan's school and road and police budgets.

The Governor's orders (Michigan is one of the few states left to be attempting such draconian orders) have lead to millions losing their jobs, which is leading to them losing their life's savings, dreams of kids going to college, retirements and investments, cutting donations to charity, and cutting their discretionary income (which further hurts the economy).

Melissa, you're the one playing politics and engaging in hysterical nonsense fear mongering. Wake up and open your eyes.

middle of the mit
Sat, 05/16/2020 - 4:53am

I am going to put an end to your conservative Bill Schutte.

Get ready..here it comes.

Unless you are a virologist or an epidemiologist you have no clue what you are talking about. Yes, the shut down is increasing unemployment but the only people complaining about people collecting unemployment are people like you. And the reason they are collecting it is so that more people don't die. But the party of pro life............or is Pro Life for the COVID resistant? want them to risk their lives so those pro lifers can get a hair cut and go to the bar......while complaining about cannabis and liquor being considered "an essential product"? Give me a break! And that is the least of the things that I am about to bring down.

Why are conservatives acting like they all of a sudden care about schools? Remember....you despise teachers? Roads? Mike Shirkey wants to turn them back to gravel .

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/23/mike-shir...

We've got too many roads," Shirkey told the Free Press in a weekend interview on Mackinac Island.

The number of lane miles in Michigan has increased significantly since 1980, at a much higher rate than the state's population, Shirkey said.
As a result, "we have way more roads per capita than most states do," and reducing the number of roads should be considered as part of a comprehensive road funding plan, he said.

Would he actually favor closing some roads?

“I wouldn’t be afraid of it," said Shirkey, R-Clarklake. "But it’s not an easy conversation."

Shirkey said roads would not necessarily have to be closed, but "maybe some roads need to be allowed to go back to gravel, for instance."///

And since the Republicans weren't willing to work with the Governor we KNOW they aren't faking it!

That's strike 2!

Unemployment and the extra money supplied by the FEDS should be a layover for a few months until we have this under control except for the fact that a certain segment of the population thinks they have freedumb to transmit a disease because FREEDUMB! Or is it individual liberty without individual responsibility? I can't seem to figure out the difference.

That's strike 3!

And I haven't gotten to where you break it down!

Suicide, drug and alcohol abuse. You don't care about those. Those would and could be covered under the Affordable Care Act, what you euphemistically call Obamacare, and what is literally Heritage Foundation Care.

But you put a great NO on that!

That is strike 4!

I had my blood taken for a blood screen. I am pretty sure everybody else could do it too, if they felt they needed it and their doctor required it.

That is strike 5.

Churches. Good grief. I believe in God and Jesus. I am not going to lose my faith by not going to Church. If that is what my Faith relies on.....my faith would be weak. My Faith isn't weak. God gave us history in the Bible and things to learn from. You don't think there were disease and pandemics then? There are many stories.....some good.....some bad.....and some horrible. Which category do you want to be associated with?

When I can legally exercise my 1ST amendment rights in the capital, I will then accept your reasons for exercising your 2nd amendment rights.

How many strikes is this now? 7!

Who put you under house arrest? I haven't seen any armed guards near my door. I and my neighbors have been able to move freely around, take walks around the streets, drive wherever we wanted to go and I have seen people frequenting my neighbors houses. Where are you and who do you live under? Do you need help? WE can help you if you are in trouble. There are numbers to call. But to make sure.....it isn't the Governor doing that to you.

Awarding contracts without what? Oh please! Have you heard of the Bush administration that gave out all kinds of NO BID contracts to the then Vice President Cheneys ex company Halliburton? Let alone what the current occupant is doing?

And FOIA requests? Well.........Michigan law says that the executive branch isn't required to live up to that law. Republicans had control for 8 years and did nothing about it. Probably having something to do with Flint and EFM law,...........but shhhhhh! WE aren't supposed to talk about that.

What is that now? 8 strikes? Sorry 10!

Yes. Finally something that is truthful! The State budget is going to be hammered. But why are we bailing out Hedge fund managers and Fall Street instead of main and residential streets?

The only thing left for me to say to you is this: When are you going to accept this isn't the flu?

When a loved one of yours dies from it?

It might be too late then. And then how are going to feel? There are already 80,000 people that have died in OUR country alone. Will you only accept it if it happens to you?

Jeff
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 3:19pm

First, this argument would not even be taking place had Trump done his job. Had he done his job, it's very possible we wouldn't have anywhere near 80,000 dead. Hd he done his job there would not have been the need to do a massive shutdown. But here we are. So Whitmer is left trying to manage a no-win situation. But her job, like the president's, is protecting the state and it's people. That's exactly what she is doing. Did you just happen to notice that every other state in the union is doing the exact same thing? So apparently all of those experts, all of those governors are the idiots, and YOU are the smart one here. Well aren't we unfortunate to not have you as governor. Then everything would be fine. Nobody would have gotten sick. Business as usual, right? And WTF does Antifa have to do with anything? (I'll give you a hint: nothing) Your bringing up that group out of context and apropos of nothing tells me that you are very much part of a group of people in this country who don't realize they have been brainwashed by 25 years of Fox News and are too far gone to see what the majority of us see: This administration, if given another 4 years, will absolutely destroy 240 years of hard work.

I am part of Jacqueline's "ilk" and we do have plenty of backbone. So much so that we will NEVER allow this country to be ruined by this president and anyone who follow him. My favorite news item from yesterday was finding out that Howard Stern says that Trump, who has been on his show numerous times, hates the people who voted for him. And so does Stern. He said he hates Trump voters BECAUSE they were stupid enough to vote for him. What is it going to take for you people to admit you were wrong and help the rest of us fix what has been broken? I hesitate to write. I don't like that every place seems to just be a forum to argue. But they allowed your note to be published. I will never allow this kind of stupidity to go unanswered.

Anti-Jeff
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 8:31pm

“But they allowed your note to be published” to quote Jeff. Free speech, the horror of it! Too bad the 1st amendment bothers you Jeff. I hear colleges are real safe spaces for people who are afraid to debate nowadays, but I’m guessing you knew that already.

middle of the mit
Sat, 05/16/2020 - 5:06am

Anti-Jeff,

You should know that the real safe spaces for free speech originated here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of time, place and manner (TPM) restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be neutral with respect to content, be narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this four-part analysis varies with the circumstances of each case, and typically requires lower standards for the restriction of obscenity and fighting words.[ci

Though free speech zones existed prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush, it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded.[6] These zones continued through the presidency of Barack Obama; he signed a bill in 2012 that expanded the power of the Secret Service to restrict speech and make arrests.[7]

Many colleges and universities earlier instituted free speech zone rules during the Vietnam-era protests of the 1960s and 1970s. In recent years, a number of them have revised or removed these restrictions following student protests and lawsuits.[citation needed]

But you still understand that FREE SPEECH is BANNED from the Capital while you carry your AR-15?

So while you exercise your 2nd amendment People are NOT allowed to exercise their 1st amendment rights? Now I am not a mathematician or a numerologist but I am pretty sure that 1 comes before 2.

Do you concur?

Jesse
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:27am

Thank you for your response. I agree completely. As of right now, 85,197 people died from COVID19, all humans who left this world too early. Dr. Fauci admits that the numbers of deaths are sadly under-reported.

Ann Farnell
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 5:21pm

If Whitmer was a tyrant, anyone showing up with guns would be shot on sight. Stupid! These protestors, like you, don’t know enough of history to have any idea what real tyranny is. They carry their fake signs and real guns and strut around doing their he men thing...to feel powerful because they really aren’t. They were supposed to stay in their cars and couldn’t follow that order either. They aren’t protestors, they are anarchists...too big a word...so they really don’t know what they are and you don’t either.

Anti anarchism
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:19am

So when the shooting starts, who decides who the "good" people are and who the "bad" people are? Does it depend on your flag, your gun, your outfit? Serious question. Any of the attendees could be terrorists looking for cover to create mayhem.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:53pm

I believe there will be three groups:
1) The groups who will shoot anyone whom they perceive as different than them - These will be the far left, the far right, and anyone who has been gobbling up this stasi disinformation from the media, polticians, and the like, regardless of poltiical affiliation.
2) The people who see past all of this noise and will only shoot in defense, or in offense towards those who threaten others without reason. I believe this group will be comprised of mostly center and center-right people, i.e., the working class (people who work real jobs, not the city type).
3) Center to center left, libertarians, and "everyone else" - These people will be hiding in the cities, biting their nails and will get caught in the crossfire.

In the end, the Republic falls, and is replaced by a dictatorship; Cities become safe havens for those incapable of thinking for themselves; The independent minded people (i.e. Patriots) are forced to the rural areas to fend for themselves. The military moves in and takes over farms to feed the mindless drones in the cities. China offers aid, which is accepted, and ultimately the fallen republic becomes part of the new world order that the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and the like have been working so hard for. The rural people are slowly killed off and rural areas are declared "preserves" and off limits for the drones. The end result of all of this resembles something like a combination of 1984 and the computer game Half Life 2.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 7:02pm

Revere,

Your side is telling us that you are under LOCKDOWN. You aren't able to leave your home unless it is to go to Lansing to protest with your guns and then you call the Governor a Tyrant. How many tyrants would allow you to protest under a LOCKDOWN order with weapons and clips that you aren't allowed to hunt animals with in the field?

Yet here you are telling us that this will all be better if you start a WAR.

You and some of my family members believe that there won't change at all. Have you ever seen a apocalyptic movie or for that matter any war torn country where your life would be better than it is now?

You keep on with this "independent minded thinking" ideal......but where are our farmers going to get the fuel for our tractors if we declare war on the cities? From Texas? How is that going to make it up here when ALL ROADS LEAD TO CITIES? Where are we up here going to get supplies from? Who are we going to sell our goods and services to? And for that matter, when what you want comes to pass, will money mean anything?

This is critical thinking.

Why don't you take some of that into account?

I get your end time scenario, trust me, I DO.

This is not it. The Bible told us BEFORE the end times that there would be plagues and diseases that come from the beasts of the field.

Why ARE WE NOT HEEDING THAT ADVICE?

WE were supposed to work together. Then there was a group that willful ignorance inhabited.

And so it was written.

Mary Sue
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 1:45pm

Jacqueline, it would be great if you could please provide us with the list of all of the rules for protesting. I looked it up and found examples of others protesting in the past- like MLK, Gandhi, pussy hat wearers, patriots, etc- who were not following your rules- were they not protesters or were they just breaking the official rules for protesting? Also, I'd love to see the certificate that made you God so that you get to set the rules on other people's behavior.

Oh, and I think you spelled your own name wrong... it's spelled K-A-R-E-N.

Carl Douglas
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:55am

So Whitmer's reasoning is that Pence should "reinforce kind of those needs to take this seriously, to continue, you know, everyone doing their part". Wow- that's deep. "Kind of those needs" is a technical Science term, right? "Take this seriously" is again The Science that we must follow, correct? "Everyone doing their part" translates to "doing what I tell them to do"- that's kind of a goal of tyrants and dictators, isn't it?

It's got to be tough to be a Whitmer supporter. They're going to have to dig deep into the personal attacks, character assassination, lies and distortions, and appeals to power if they want to continue to support her.

A Yooper
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:57am

It puts this guy on the spot.
If he doesn't it shows what a coward he is and he needs to be flushed out in the national spotlight.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:38am

Trump can blame all his lies and mistakes on Pence who is "in charge". LOL It also give Trump an excuse to replace his prop Pence with Nikki Haley as a new prop, when Biden selects his female VP.

Revere
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:39am

You deranged morons who blame the state for everything good and the fed for everything bad are hilarious.
I've heard of wearing TDS on your sleeve, but you guys are wearing full TDS body suits!

old hippie
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 11:42am

This is a life-or-death crisis we are facing. It’s all over the news : “Coronavirus cases spike in some U.S. cities and workplaces as stay-at-home restrictions relax. While some of the hardest-hit areas of the country are seeing cases fall, others are experiencing an uptick following the rollback of some restrictions.”
“Countries that reopened are closing down again as coronavirus infections spike”
Some rural cities with lifted restrictions are seeing infections jump this week to 600% ! And Texas is reporting 1,000/day in new infections. These are “real” statistics, not witchcraft.
While our Governor steps up to protect our lives, these tiny splinter factions of Republican inspired protesters are spreading the virus across the state!
I can see how in the near future, there could be wrongful death lawsuits filed against these protesters, the sheriffs and prosecutors and politicians who refuse to follow the law and enforce it.

Trumper
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:52am

That's all just fake news, nasty questions. You fail to mention someone somewhere was in a group and was not infected. LOL

Revere
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:42am

Old Hippie,
All that dope you smoked in the 60's made you a very, very stupid person. We've always known this; You've always been too stoned to notice.
Your lack of understanding of even basic statistics goes all the way back to your youth, which is when I assume you decided to let other people think for you, because, you know, it was easier, duuuude - Especially when you were so stoned.
Who is this a life-or-death crisis for?
Chilrden? No.
Adolescents? No.
Young Adults? No.
College students? No.
People in their late 20's? No.
People in their 30's? No.
People in their 40's? No.
People in their 50's? No.
People in their 60's? No.
People in their 70's and older? Only if they have underlying health conditions that were significant enough that they were already at risk of dying from the flu.

You moron. Go smoke another joint.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 5:53pm

Hear this elderly people? Are you reading the words coming from conservatives keyboards? Are you listening to what FOX News is telling you?

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!

They want that sweet, sweet inheritance tax free money!

PUBLISH THIS!

Am I being vitriolic or is Revere?

It's your choice. Even though children are starting to be affected and those older are having to deal with blood clots and Corona toe...........it's just the elderly.

If being bi partisan means being heartless when the elderly die and kids...............during a pandemic so that others don't have to sacrifice a thing until or unless they get sick and realize that it isn't fake because those with MBA's are smarter than PHD's during a pandemic or anytime....

This country deserves what it asks for.

Matt
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 12:21pm

What's the evidence of COVID being transmited by people just standing or walking around outside, everything I've seen approaches zero. To all those panicing over it, what do you have?

Revere
Wed, 05/13/2020 - 1:46pm

CDC proved in 2015 that cloth masks increase infection risk of influenza by about 13 times. Likely higher with coronavirus due to how much longer it survives on surfaces. However, more than a third of the population has already contracted and recovered from coronavirus so it doesn't really matter. Only sick elderly/sick obese people are dying, and those people were going to die from the flu anyway. We The People are done with this coronavirus hoax.

Naw
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:49am

You sound like the FUX News instigators who are broadcasting from home telling the lemmings to go over the cliff.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:50pm

I don't watch mainstream media newscasts, not sure what you are talking about there - However, it's quite clear that the only lemmings in this siutation are the mindless drones who refuse to think for themselves and instead look to their narrow-minded "experts" for what to think.
You realize that the lemming analogy applies to people who are not independent - Those who don't think for themselves - Right? You can't take the side of the stasi and accuse the independents that oppose them of being lemmings - That simply does not make sense.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:52pm

Naw,
I also forgot to mention - The 2015 study I reference is real - Still published on the CDC website - It was conducted during Obama's time in office. Therefore your post simply makes no sense...

Snark meet Snark
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:43am

What's the evidence of COVID NOT being transmitted by people just standing or walking around outside when they are closer than six feet and not wearing a mask as precautions, everything I've seen approaches zero. To all those panicking over it, what do you have?

We have 85,216 dead people in the US to prove otherwise.

Mary Sue
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:52am

What is the evidence of Snark meet Snark not being a slug who should be thrown in jail without a trial? Zero. There is no evidence that proves he is not a criminal, so he should lose all his rights, property, and possibly even his life, unless he can prove false whatever bizarre accusations that we will continually make up.

Oh, it doesn't work like this? In America the prosecution must prove that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and if reasonable doubt remains (which it does because there is no evidence to support the prosecutions argument), the accused must be acquitted.

It's okay Snark meet Snark- we know you're just a bot or a troll, and in China and Russia they have standards of justice that you are more familiar with.

Erica
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:47am

Matt, why did Mike Pence and White House staff all of a sudden start wearing a face mask? Are they just slow? Should we trust such slow people?

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:00am

“'We are listening,' Shirkey said, 'to the many, many voices who are questioning our governor and the one-size-fits-all heavy-handed blunt force instrument of government that has been used to stifle our ability to make progress from living in fear, towards learning to live with this insidious virus.'”

Shirkey sounds like Trump saying "Fauci wants to play all sides of the equation." It's all right out of the Trump handbook to do nothing and blame everyone showing leadership.

Stock tip
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:32am

When the government stimulus stops and the covid19 cases spike in the fall, there will be a complete meltdown of the economy, more lawlessness, and a much worse pandemic. The only reason there is a rush to reopen the economy too fast is to artificially prop the stock market and get Trump reelected. Our health means nothing to the swamp creatures that Trump has fed. He did the exact opposite of draining the swamp. He built Trump properties in it.

Getchen love
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 9:00am

Michigan is now 20th in the country for new cases. Governor, thank you, our family loves you and appreciates your courageous leadership. I also want to thank our fellow Michiganders, without our collective spirit, we would still be in the top three states for new infections. To be honest, as a lifelong Republican, I didn't think you would be such a great governor, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Revere
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:54pm

You mindless drone. Go get a basic mathematical education so that you can understand why our "governor" is a tyrannical stasi pig, and not a hero.

Marty
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:17pm

Tha e cases up here in northern Michigan hasn't went up anywhere. So she's lying to the vp now

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 12:21am

Many Americans protesting around the country firmly believe the Democrats would be more than willing to completely destroy the economy if it meant getting rid of President Trump. American citizens aren't willing to sacrifice their homes, careers, jobs and businesses for another leftist attempt to remove a President.

Joe's mental health is even more concerning than the platform he supports. Whomever he picks to be his Vice President will be the President.

Democrat Platform & Goals: Leftist Agenda.
(Democrat Taxpayers pay close attention, you'll pay too)

-End all deportations of illegal aliens, if you get here, you stay. Bernie's website calls it a "moratorium" on deportations.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Citizenship for 20 to 50 million illegal aliens, DACA & TPS recipients with a cost of billions.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-De-fund & terminate border patrol & ICE.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Free Health Care for Illegal aliens, DACA, TPS recipients (taxpayer funded with one estimate at 52 trillion)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Ending of all private / employer based health care. "Medicare for all", Feds run everything.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Illegal Aliens eligible for welfare & food stamps. (Elizabeth Warrens plan adopted)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No

-Free college for all, including illegal aliens. (tax payer funded)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Decriminalization of illegal entry into our country.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Sanctuary Cities & States.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Open Borders.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Massive tax increases. All Democrat candidates have committed to tax increases of various amounts.
Democrats Yes tax increases.
Republicans No tax increases.

-Reparations for race's harmed by Caucasians. Joe committed this to "Reverend" Al Sharpton, support for Sheila Jackson Lee's racist reparations bill in the House.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Drivers licenses for illegal aliens.(already happening in states with Democrat leadership)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Opposed to ANY voter ID Laws.(Nancy Pelosi wanted this amendment in the first corona virus bill) I wonder why?
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-AOC's green new deal.(which would create massive unemployment, 100,000 jobs estimated in the transportation industry alone.)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

There is no moderate wing of the Democrat party. If you vote for Joe Biden, you are voting for Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren's platform.. Joe will follow the radical left’s agenda (or Joe won't get the support) of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Valerie Jarrett,. Rashida Talib, Stacy Abrams, Ayanna Pressley, Nancy Pelosi, Sheila Jackson Lee, Tom Perez, Maxine Waters, Al Green, and llhan Omar. This is the core of the socialists leftist wing of the Democrat party and they are firmly in charge.. Most or all have already endorsed Joe Biden, so he obviously has committed to their leftist agenda.

Revere
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:44am

Well spoken, and this is why those of us who historically thought we were democrats are now stuck in this awkward middle ground where there is noone to vote for.

Paul
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 8:07pm

Many Americans protesting across the country firmly believe the Democrats would be more than willing to completely destroy the economy if it meant getting rid of President Trump. American citizens aren't willing to sacrifice their homes, careers, jobs and businesses for another leftist attempt to remove a President.

Joe's mental health is even more concerning than the platform he supports. Whomever he picks to be his Vice President will be the President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve8kE4SXXTs

Democrat Platform & Goals: Leftist Agenda.
(Democrat Taxpayers pay close attention, you'll pay too)

-End all deportations of illegal aliens, if you get here, you stay. Bernie's website calls it a "moratorium" on deportations.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Citizenship for 20 to 50 million illegal aliens, DACA & TPS recipients with a cost of billions.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/06/18/60000-dreamers-arrested-but-allow...

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

-De-fund & terminate border patrol & ICE.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Free Health Care for Illegal aliens, DACA, TPS recipients (taxpayer funded with one estimate at 52 trillion)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/27/all_dem_candidates_ra...

-Ending of all private / employer based health care. "Medicare for all", Feds run everything.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Illegal Aliens eligible for welfare & food stamps. (Elizabeth Warrens plan adopted)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No

-Free college for all, including illegal aliens. If you vote Democrat, don't expect to put Junior in college.....BUT you will finance the education of illegal aliens. Democrats do not care about the education of American born citizens. However, they are very concerned with the education of citizens from other country's. Democrats Yes. Republicans No.

-Decriminalization of illegal entry into our country.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Sanctuary Cities & States.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/biden-conservatives-trump-132214

-Open Borders.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Massive tax increases. All Democrat candidates have committed to tax increases of various amounts.
Democrats Yes tax increases.
Republicans No tax increases.

-Reparations for race's harmed by Caucasians. Joe committed this to "Reverend" Al Sharpton, support for Sheila Jackson Lee's racist reparations bill in the House.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/05/2020-democrats-pledge-support-for-repara...

-Drivers licenses for illegal aliens.(already happening in states with Democrat leadership)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Opposed to ANY voter ID Laws.(Nancy Pelosi wanted this amendment in the first corona virus bill) I wonder why?
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-AOC's green new deal.(which would create massive unemployment, 100,000 jobs estimated in the transportation industry alone.)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

There is no moderate wing of the Democrat party. If you vote for Joe Biden, you are voting for Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren's platform.. Joe will follow the radical left’s agenda (or Joe won't get the support) of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Valerie Jarrett,. Rashida Talib, Stacy Abrams, Ayanna Pressley, Nancy Pelosi, Sheila Jackson Lee, Tom Perez, Maxine Waters, Al Green, and llhan Omar.

This is the core of the socialists leftist wing of the Democrat party and they are firmly in charge.. Most or all have already endorsed Joe Biden, so he obviously has committed to their leftist agenda.

Cindy L.
Sat, 05/16/2020 - 8:45am

Funny Shirkey and Chatfield don't mention that they've also received emails in support of the governor's stay-at-home. Let's see how things unfold as out-of-staters and downstaters fill up the western and northern parts of the state this summer. I sure hope it's good news.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 5:36pm

They won't take any responsibility.

They will push it off onto the local leaders and then blame the Governor.

They better hope it isn't worse than the flu.

I hear you though.