Violence erupts in Michigan over state mask mandate ‘powder keg’

Michigan businesses now face fines if they don’t mandate customers wear masks. (Shutterstock)

July 17 update: Whitmer tightens Michigan’s mask order but makes it optional when voting

Tensions over Michigan’s face mask mandate erupted into violence Tuesday, culminating in a fatal police shooting. 

It was the second death connected to confrontations over face masks since the pandemic struck Michigan, and the latest incident reflecting the growing, potentially explosive divisions between those who believe Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s executive order will save lives, and those who feel it infringes on their personal liberties.

 

Authorities said the incident Tuesday unfolded about 6:45 a.m. between a 77-year-old Lansing man, who reportedly wore a mask, and an unmasked 43-year old Grand Ledge attacker. The two exchanged words in the parking lot of a Lansing-area Quality Dairy before the Lansing man was stabbed.

The Grand Ledge man, identified as Sean Ernest Ruis, was shot and killed about a half-hour later by an Eaton County sheriff’s deputy — a shooting that was caught in a surveillance video released by Michigan State Police.

The older man was hospitalized and said to be in stable condition.

The stabbing outside the store in Dimondale is at least the second incident in Michigan that has ended in someone's death over mask-wearing. In May, a security guard at a Flint dollar store was killed in a confrontation with customers.

“It’s a hard situation right now,” said Matt Saxton, CEO and executive director of the Michigan Sheriff’s Association. 

In addition to a string of evolving executive orders in a state unevenly hit by coronavirus, “business owners are put in a position of telling customers they have to wear masks,” he said. “It’s tough for everybody.”

The virus, which as of Tuesday had killed more than 575,000 people world-wide, including 6,081 in Michigan, has frazzled nerves and led to violence elsewhere, too. Confrontations over face coverings have been reported around the state, country and world, from Florida, New Mexico and California to Kenya and Canada.

Two days before the Quality Dairy stabbing, a customer at Meijer in Acme east of Traverse City pulled a 4-inch folding knife on a 50-year-old worker after she asked him to wear a mask while shopping, said Detective Capt. Randy Fewless of the Grand Traverse Sheriff’s Office.

The employee walked away from the confrontation, alerting store security, which later identified the customer by his shopper rewards card at checkout, Fewless said.

He described the man as cooperative when a deputy approached him at his Kalkaska home.

The deputy said “‘We gotta talk,’ and he said, ‘Yeah, I know,’” Fewless said.

While bloodshed and threats of violence may make headlines, even more Michiganders may be wearing thin over increasingly confrontational stares and grumblings in their everyday lives.

“People are getting bolder,” said Judy Blinn, a retired attorney.

Blinn said a woman screamed at her to “go home!” Sunday when Blinn wore a mask to a park in Ferrysburg along Michigan’s western edge to find shade and a few minutes to read.

Blinn, 77, said she was sitting on a bench when a woman approached her and repeatedly “screamed.” Blinn, who has an auto-immune disease that has scarred her lungs and required immune-suppressing medications, called the scene “embarrassing.”

“There was a time when it wasn’t acceptable to get into these kinds of scenes, but now it seems okay to be very open with derogatory gestures and eye-rolling and even confrontations,” said Blinn.

All this, in turn, has sent Michigan’s law enforcement scrambling this week to clarify what it can, cannot and will not do. Saxton, at the sheriff’s association, said sheriff’s offices will use their latitude to decide how to handle situations in the communities that elected them.

“Enforcing the order doesn’t necessarily mean writing a ticket or making an arrest,” he said.

In Grand Traverse County, sheriff deputies will respond to business complaints about customers that refuse to follow orders, citing violators for trespassing, said Fewless. But complaints about businesses that fail to enforce the executive order first will be routed to the health department for voluntary compliance, Fewless said.

On its Facebook page, the Macomb County Sheriff’s Office directed complaints to the Michigan Attorney General’s office, and the Saginaw County Sheriff’s Office said on its Facebook page that Whitmer’s order to wear masks “is not a law and has not been promulgated into law.” Both departments said that they would respond to businesses complaining about customers who do not leave when asked.

Some Michigan law enforcement is referring complaints directly to the Whitmer administration.

The department said it will not issue sanctions, and in fact, “(z)ero sanctions and zero tickets have been handed out since March.”

The governor’s executive orders “carry the weight of the law,” according to Ryan Jarvi, spokesman for Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel. Still, he said, the attorney general does “not supervise city police chiefs or county sheriffs.”

“They answer to their constituents, taxpayers and voters, and we encourage those residents who are upset with the actions of those agencies to express their dissatisfaction with the leadership there,” he said in an email to Bridge.

“The number one… pain point.”

All of this, in turn, puts the state’s retail workers and others — arguably worn down already by lockdown, an economy in disarray, and their own anxiety — at the front lines of a battle between those who believe their lives depend on COVID-containing measurements like masks and those who either see mask requirements as an attack on their personal freedoms or, on the extreme, the virus as an all-out hoax.

Enforcing the mask order “is the number one anxiety-producing pain point for retailers right now,” said Meegan Holland, spokesperson, Michigan Retailers Association.

In another incident, a customer without a mask open-carried a gun into a grocery and made threatening comments that made workers believe he’d use the gun if store employees ordered him to leave, Holland said.

Employees backed off and allowed the man to shop, said Holland, who declined to identify the store or the community where the store is located.

The Michigan Retailers Association has offered webinars on how to de-escalate confrontations with customers who enter stores without masks, recommending that workers stay calm, listen intently to the concerns of the customer, and offer the customer compromises, such as curbside delivery of items.

Holland urged customers to think twice before confronting mask-less customers. “They may have a medical exemption,” Holland said. “Or they may be someone who was scary at the front door and a worker decided to let them in to avoid (a potentially dangerous) confrontation.”

“If you have a person without good communication skills, it can go downhill quickly,” agreed Saxton at the Michigan Sheriff’s Association.

His own college-age son is working as a Walmart greeter, charged with reminding customers about the governor’s order, Saxton said.

Even though the young man is “level-headed” and friendly, “I’m almost more concerned about his job right now than if he were going into law enforcement,” Saxton said.

But Pat Burkholder, owner of Epilogue Books in Rockford northwest of Grand Rapids, said Whitmer’s order Friday helped him balance the playing field.

Epilogue has asked customers since reopening in May to wear masks, and Burkholder has offered disposable masks to customers who donate $1 to children’s literacy efforts.

Before the order that took effect on Monday, he said he and many small business owners were “the bad guys” trying to enforce masks when larger, big box businesses sometimes did not.

“Keeping people safe in our community is our number one priority,” Burkholder said. Whitmer’s order, he said,  “is fantastic.”

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake — often at odds with the Democrat governor — urged calm in a statement released Tuesday evening.

“There is no reason to risk your health or your life over the debate of wearing masks in public...Instead, we encourage people to wear their masks and treat others with respect,” he wrote.

As coronavirus continues to circulate in Michigan, store employees have become the frontline enforcers of social distancing and mask-wearing. (Bridge photo by Robin Erb)

Divided leadership

Confusing things further is the deepening divide among the state’s leaders that likely leads some residents to view face masks as a partisan issue. 

Democratic governor Whitmer has said the mask mandate — requiring face masks in enclosed public settings and in crowded outdoor gatherings — are necessary to tamp down an increase in COVID-19 cases and allow schools to reopen in the fall.

Multiple studies have suggested that masks do, in fact, help contain COVID-19’s transmission, although it’s uncertain to what extent, according to a research letter published Monday in JAMA Network, an on-line publication by the American Medical Association. 

But some Republican legislative leaders have chafed at requiring masks. Sen. Ken Horn, R-Frankenmuth, compared the mask mandate to Soviet-era East Germany. State Rep. Jim Lower, R-Greenville, has been an outspoken critic on social media of the mask mandate.

“I won’t be following this rule. Good luck enforcing it,” he wrote on Facebook after Whitmer issued the executive order Friday. “It is long past time for Michigan citizens to unite against this out of control administration.”

Lower learned of Tuesday’s stabbing and shooting death from Bridge. Lower urged residents to not resort to violence. “I understand your frustration (with the mask mandate), but it’s completely inappropriate to take it out on the person working there,” Lower said.

Lower said the violence that has bubbled up around the mask order “is kind of what I feared. It’s just such a personal thing, an invasion of space, to order you to wear something over your face.

“A lot of people don’t think the science is that supportive of the need (for masks), and others think you’re basically irresponsible if you don't wear one.” Lower said. “That’s why you have this powder keg.”

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Crazy America
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:16pm

This isn't happening in other countries where the virus is under control. Only in America. Since when do sheriffs telegraph which laws they intend to enforce? Time to fire those sheriffs. They make it sound like following laws is optional. Of course it doesn't help the situation with the clown we have for a president mocking science, scientists, and masks, only to recently say he wears them sometimes. He promotes conspiracy theories and lies. Yes, it's a power keg for chaos.

Robyn A Tonkin
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:04pm

These sheriffs want to get reelected, and they know what message they have to spin in order to be reelected. I have a subscription to a newspaper published in northern WI. The publisher is the purveyor of the awfullest falsehoods about government workers, members of the Democratic party, liberals and people who believe mask wearing is okay, but if he doesn't espouse these views, the newspaper will lose the few subscribers it still retains, and will go out of business. A lot of people are pretty cynical when they stand at the intersection of income and opinion. They know the right answer....

Crumbs
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:52pm

You bring up good points, but the locals have to see that their gerrymandered districts are leaving them with very little.

NJP
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:13pm

You know those legislators the people vote for? Well, they're not just there for fun. They're constitutionally required to determine what is and isn't a law based on the interests of their electorate. And this mask mandate, reasonable as it may be, was never passed by the legislature, meaning... it's not the law.

There are places in this world where legislatures are merely advisory and law is in fact dictated by a single individual. You should try living in one of those places and then decide how crazy America is.

Anonymous
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:51pm

So the courts have to strike down the executive orders. Otherwise you are wrong.

Anonymous
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:43pm

What does Chatfield think? Is he still in the legislature? "They're constitutionally required to determine what is and isn't a law based on the interests of their electorate." No, they pass laws. You are confusing their job with the job of judges.

NJP
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 8:17pm

You got me there. I said "is and isn't," I meant "should or shouldn't be." The fact is, this "law" was not passed by the branch authorized to pass laws, it was decreed from the branch authorized to enforce laws, and that's not how it's supposed to work.

William C. Plunpe
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 1:50pm

Are you saying Trump's Executive orders are also not laws?
If Trump can make law so can Whitmer
Besides the Governor has emergency powers so she may well have the power to make law under certain conditions.
As far as I know Trump has no such emergency powers but that may soon change. Trump will find some excuse to increase his power to the detriment of democracy in America.

Ouchez
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 3:57pm

Crazy,,IT is not a law,,I always wear a mask because I know it helps stop the spread, but until the legislator makes it a law...............and stop the attack on the President, it borders on hate speech!

Kurt
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 6:43pm

Wait a minute. A governor emergency declaration and order is not law? When there were riots and and governor declared a curfew there were no police that said "it was not law" and refused to enforce it. When floods hit Midland and the governor issued declarations there were no police that said "it was not law" . . . . These are sheriff's picking and choosing based on political motivation. Not public safety, not competent judgement of what is law.

Hank
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 1:55pm

Exactly!

Craig Reynolds
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:34pm

Stop the President's attacks on different groups of the Citizenry - it borders on hate speech!

Jeff
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 1:05pm

Crazy, do you understand what "legislation" is? It's what is used to create laws.
This is why the mask mandate is not a law and will eventually be struck down in court. Even if one of these hilarious $500 citations were handed out, they would never stand up in court.
This is the beauty of America. Learn to love it. Best place in the world to be IMHO.

Katie
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 6:38pm

All you have to do is look it up. Its not a law.

Mike coffee
Thu, 08/06/2020 - 1:18am

Did you read what the sheriff wrote? It's not a law it does not have the force of law. If a sheriff enforced The mask mandate it would be guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

Larry
Fri, 08/07/2020 - 12:00am

Other countries where the virus is under control? Like denmark, which isn't using masks at all after they looked at the science and many mask related studies and decided that they are totally ineffective at preventing coronavirus?

American Idiots
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:19pm

"Confrontations over face coverings have been reported around the state, country and world, from Florida, New Mexico and California to Kenya and Canada." Big difference between confrontations and violence/killing.

G
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:09am

Governor Whitmer encouraged violence or to be forceful into getting people to comply with a mask. For 4 months folks like me were deemed essential and had to go to work daily without a mask because Dr. Fauci said masks were bad.
Now you want us to wear a non OSHA compliant mask which causes you to recycle the Carbon Dioxide you inhale, this makes you breath in air with an average of 17.5 to 18% Oxygen.
Osha Minimum standards for fresh air in confined spaces is 19.5%. Open air is 20.5% Oxygen

That's not true
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:28pm

No one ever stopped you from wearing a mask. Whitmer never encouraged violence. Fauci merely said to save hospital masks for hospital workers because there was a shortage given Trump refused to fully use the Defense Production Act. You are just making up stuff. Please seek help.

Anna
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 2:08pm

It very often WAS true that retail employers prohibited their employees from wearing masks back in March, April and even into May, because they thought it would drive away customers. In some states employers are STILL forbidding employees from wering masks. "Save hospital-grade masks for medical workers." as a message would have been sensible. Instead we got "Masks don't work." from the US government, which was a stupid lie that is now being used to excuse non-use of masks.

Ouchez
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 4:01pm

That's,,it is true that Fauci lied to our faces about mask wearing,,he even recently admitted it,,so did the Surgeon General.

TRUE!!
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 6:20am

Dr. Anthony Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine have admitted that masks are little more than symbols. Virtue signaling. Catch up.

Anonymous
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 1:54pm

When?

Pfft
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 8:14am

May 21 2020

jane thomas
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 3:59am

No. Neither of them "admitted" that masks are only symbols. Just the opposite, in fact. Such fake claims should not be allowed to stand on this site.

Stabler Genius
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 2:57pm

Since the air we breathe only contains 21% oxygen, masks are only reducing oxygen by 3%, according to your math. 71% of the air we breathe is comprised of nitrogen. Mask up!

Leon Hulett
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 5:07pm

While normal atmosphere contains between 20.8 and 21 percent oxygen, OSHA defines as oxygen deficient any atmosphere that contains less than 19.5 percent oxygen, and as oxygen enriched, any atmosphere that contains more than 22 percent.

OSHA probably hasn't approved the mask you say to mask up with if it decreased the breathable oxygen from 21 to 18.

Also, world-wide COVID19 cases are currently 99% Mild Condition, 4 million plus active cases. See Worldometers.com. We should be hearing about a Mild Condition infection instead of risking people's lives masking up for no good reason. Ask Witmer to recind her order, it is no longer relevant.

Leon

Stay relevant
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:04pm

Why aren't people storming the capitol anymore? Answer: they agree with the governor that masks work. It's just like smoking. We were told by BIG TOBACCO that smoking was good for us. Some people still feel it's their right to smoke wherever they want, but MOST people don't like it. So we restricted it. Majority rules, unless we're talking about presidential elections. Note that all the ideological Republican governors are changing their views as the virus surges in their states. Just face it, you are on the wrong side of history. Viruses just aren't cool anymore.

Pfft
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 8:13am

Wrong, its because we're now ignoring her and living our lives as we see fit.

Jaye Bergamini
Sat, 07/18/2020 - 12:26am

If you do a simple internet search for oxygen and masks you will see that your supposition is factually incorrect. Further, doctors doing brain surgery wear a mask for hours on end and don't suffer from oxygen deprivation. I hope that your concern about oxygen is your sole reason for resisting a mask. If you are intellectually honest, you will accept these undisputed facts and, now, and wear a mask to protect your family, friends and other people in general. If not, make sure you tell people the truth when asked about your lack of a mask....you find them hot and uncomfortable, and your personal comfort is more important that the lives of your loved ones and the health and economy of your town. I can more readily accept the "I don't like them and you can't make me wear one" excuse than all the false science and faux pious reverence for the Constitution most people spout off. If you're just a jerk, own it. Don't try to justify it. No one is buying it.

So sad
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:22pm

Over the decades, I've seen Michigan go from Midwestern nice, to road rage, to just plain rage. When did anger become so tolerated? When did nice become something bad?

William C. Plimpe
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:41pm

Anger, devisiveness and scorn became the norm once Trump was elected. The President does so it must be OK.
Trump is nothing but a loudmouth bully and demagogue regardless of what supposed results he gets. For me what Trump says and how he gets things done are as important as what he gets done.
Trump totally lacks personal integrity and demeans the Presidency and America by making everything about
Trump and the bottom line.
That is simply intolerable. Trump is unfit to serve.

Pot Meet Kettle
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 3:21pm

You blame the election of a president for causing division in the country as you use your seat behind the keyboard to stoke the dissent with enthusiasm.

Craig Reynolds
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:40pm

Yes, aggravating and opening gashes in the culture of the Country had originally been limited to faceless individuals sitting behind keyboards and mimeograph machines, but the Internet and a number of political personages have succeeded wildly in bringing those historical sores out into the open.

Face it
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:10pm

Yet you can't deny anything William C. Plimpe said about the president. You have to admit Trump is nothing more than a traveling snake oil salesman like in the Wizard of Oz or the Emperor with no Clothes. Sorry for the imagery.

Plimpe
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 4:12pm

Cut out the hate speech toward our President, please, or you become part of the problem!

LMAO
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:06pm

Is this North Korea?

Todd
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 6:22am

Oh no. This began well before Trump. Obama started the division with his support for criminals over the police. Catch up. Trump is here because of Obama.

Richie
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:30pm

"Trump is here because of Obama." My guess is that you couldn't conceive of a Black Democrat in the White House. The division preceded Obama by many decades. It's the hate that is new.

Jeff
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 1:07pm

William,

You must have been sleeping during the Obama years. Obama was the most effective divider we have ever had. The gun sales numbers alone prove this point. People have been feverishly preparing for a war since that puppet took office (and even before). Clintons and Bushes were almost as bad. Trump is the first real human we've had in the presidency since the 80's. Deal with it.

Larry
Fri, 08/07/2020 - 12:02am

William, you are 12 years too late. Anger, devisiveness and scorn became the norm once Obama was elected. Trump was simply a result of what Obama created. I'm a democrat BTW. Just making an observation here. Never had I experienced real political division among friends and family until Obama came along. And he split our family and friends evenly in two. Why is it that people want to blame Trump for everything? No way I'd vote for him, but he had nothing to do with the division in this country. He simply benefited from it. Obama paved the way to a Trump presidency.

It's the economy!
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:39pm

"Before the order that took effect on Monday, he said he and many small business owners were “the bad guys” trying to enforce masks when larger, big box businesses sometimes did not.

'Keeping people safe in our community is our number one priority,' Burkholder said. Whitmer’s order, he said, 'is fantastic.'”

This has been my experience and I only patronized stores that enforced mask-wearing, in part to protect my health and in part to protect the health of the employees working to keep their stores open for me. No one understands how hard it is to be a small business owner. Walmart doesn't care if its employees get sick. They just hire more. They don't have to close down. Covid devastates small businesses.

Wow
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:46pm

"[S]ome Republican legislative leaders have chafed at requiring masks. Sen. Ken Horn, R-Frankenmuth, compared the mask mandate to Soviet-era East Germany."
Frankenmuth?? I didn't think such a touristy place would want to alienate so many people who go there to spend money. Are we to think food safety laws are also akin to Soviet-era East Germany oppressive laws?? Are those chicken dinners and restaurants clean??

butch krumenaker
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:47pm

Sen. Horn, as always, is looking out for the Bavarian Heritage (not to mention the purse strings of Frankenmuth)........I cannot wait for him to serve his last extension of "public service" so WE can get someone in office that cares for his whole District, not just the "Fatherland" part !

We the People
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:11pm

Thank God for the end of gerrymandering in Michigan.

Dave Lindhout
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:49pm

So this is the first reaction to the governor's recent mandate. It puts undue pressure on retail business to enforce, but I believe it is the right thing to do. We all need to help to curb the spread. Mask up Michigan! It's a simple and effective thing to do.

Betsie K
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:35pm

Undue pressure on retail business to enforce? I'm not so sure. It takes off pressure because now businesses can blame the governor and BS, say, "Sorry, I agree with you, but I can't afford a fine. I hope you understand." Before, businesses were in a no-win situation.

Shame on GOP
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 8:51pm

Our leaders cannot express such vitriol toward wearing a mask and not expect violence reactions.

Matt Korolden
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 10:10pm

When the MI GOP forced upon the people of MI:
A gas tax we rejected at the polls
Emergency Manager laws we rejected at the polls
Pension taxes
Illegal confiscation of teacher pay
The EAA

THAT wasn’t enough.

But... require a face covering to slow the spread of a disease that is killing so many people in Texas and Arizona that those states have Broughton refrigerated morgue truck... well, now that’s going a bit too far!

Seriously?

Kevin Grand
Tue, 07/14/2020 - 10:16pm

Just more blood on Gov. Whitmer's hands.

All of those seniors who are dead as a direct result of her order to force sick people into nursing homes. And now this?

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525942--,00.html

I wonder how she can sleep at night?

Better yet, I wonder when the Department of Justice will be paying the governor a personal visit to discuss her actions?

Sarah Miller
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:55am

I wonder how you sleep at night. Such nonsense!

Kevin Grand
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:53pm

I sleep very well at night, thank you very much.

Not adhering to some ludicrous mask "order" greatly adds to that.

The neurosis you are attempting to project onto everyone else is obviously affecting yours.

No drama, please!
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:38pm

"Not adhering to some ludicrous mask 'order' greatly adds to that." You enter stores without a mask? Interesting. Did you pay some doctor for an excuse or just scream it's unconstitutional?

Kevin Grand
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 6:02pm

Let me just say that not everyone believes what the governor says without question.

This may shock you, but I didn't have to pay anyone anything.

This may shock you even more, I'm not the only one moving around without being accosted.

Craig Reynolds
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:44pm

Did you even bother to READ the thing? You just destroyed yourself, rhetorically speaking.

Matt G
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 10:22am

Well Kevin, at least you're not spreading anti-vaccination lies in this thread. No, in this thread you're just trying to equate an order that's trying to save lives with causing violence.

See, in order for anyone to think the mask service refusal order causes violence, you'd have to think it's inevitable that selfish violent people would react to being told to look out for public health by stabbing people who remind them to look out for public health.

Apparently you think stabbing people who are asking customers to act a certain way on private property is ok as long as you agree with their reason for stabbing someone. Maybe the police shouldn't enforce trespassing laws in your opinion? Sounds communist! It's a free country meaning everyone's land is public land, right?

Obviously that sounds ridiculous to you, right? If a business owner wants to refuse service for not complying with rules they've set up, that's their right and the market should handle it. Vote with your dollars, not with a knife.

Kevin Grand
Fri, 07/24/2020 - 8:59pm

All I can say, Matt, is WOW!

Your leap of logic of where you think I stand, has crashed somewhere in the outer reaches of The Twilight Zone.

I do, wholeheartedly, agree with you regarding one point: "Vote with your dollars, not with a knife."

I'll even add: "Don't bring a gun, "either.

Unsustainable
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:13am

"Enforcing the mask order 'is the number one anxiety-producing pain point for retailers right now,' said Meegan Holland, spokesperson, Michigan Retailers Association."

Imagine the anxiety parents feel about the federal government forcing them to send their children to school in the fall when cases are increasing now. The pandemic is hard enough, but the government seems to be making it worse. "Open the schools to in-person classes or your lose funding!" That's forcing parents to choose between education and death. Where is the choice? What is the government doing to stop the pandemic? Why are we not talking about better delivery of online instruction and safety nets for social issues at a time when we most need them? It's like we are being forced to go to war without armament. As far as masks go, the government should be making it clear that the virus is the enemy and masks are an integral part of our defense, along with other measures. Instead we have no national leadership, no common defense. We have vigilante government and law enforcement.

Cynthia Miner
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:19am

Excellent response. Add that children will not have the right to public education, only private if they wish to pay for it along with taxpayer funding.

Beverly J
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:17am

What are we doing to help people with mental illness during this pandemic? That video of the Eaton County sheriff’s deputy shooting is so disturbing, but what possessed Ruis to attack other than mental illness?

Brandon
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:16am

How about moral depravity.

Robyn A Tonkin
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:59pm

You know, I have actually thought about this issue a lot. What chain of thought leads someone to stab or shoot somebody over a mask, or point a loaded gun at someone walking past your home doing nothing more than carrying a cardboard placard? Simply put, I think it is the effect of social media on certain people. I think relentless messaging that targets the frontal cortex of the brain causes some people to do all their thinking and decision making via their emotions. Their emotions become inflamed and exacerbated, usually, it seems in the direction of hysteria and paranoia about their own liberty and safety, to such an extent, that all that will alleviate their extreme mental distress is a discharge of their emotions, and unfortunately, right now, that seems to be in the direction of attacking somebody. I have read accounts of the thoughts of serial criminals of various types, and this seems to be what they do. They get so emotionally upset that they must commit a heinous act to get some relief from their torment. This is what we have come down to, and it is really horrible.

Craig Reynolds
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:47pm

"There is nothing that I could not do, and everything fills me with horror." Spoken by the Marquis de Sade in "Marat/Sade".

Agree
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:15pm

They enter echo chambers and ruminate until they become unhinged. It seems like drug addiction.

M.F. RowBear
Fri, 07/31/2020 - 5:21pm

"What chain of thought leads someone to stab or shoot somebody over a mask, or point a loaded gun at someone walking past your home doing nothing more than carrying a cardboard placard? Simply put, I think it is the effect of social media on certain people"...........if you are referring to the St. Louis gun couple the Mucluskeys. Your statement is wholly incorrect.

Harold
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:50am

Despite the public statements by a few sheriffs, people can't count on their protection if they're assaulted in situations involving masks. Sheriff Borkovich in Leelanau County, for instance, has declared he will enforce laws he agrees with and ignore others, and in particular, will not arrest lawbreakers in situations relating to masks.

Kim A
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:01pm

I know. Sadly it's like a return to the wild west. Civilization seems hopelessly lost. We can only hope these reckless people lose their jobs/elections.

J Hendricks
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 3:23pm

Sort of like arresting the St. Louis homeowners for protecting their property, but giving the trespassing mob a pass. Yep. Selective enforcement is only OK if the “woke” are doing the enforcing.

Anonymous
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:22pm

You mean the people carelessly pointing the guns?

Paula
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 8:55am

Does Govenor Whitmer seriously expect police officers to enforce her "mandatory mask" order? More so, what about the minimum wage store or restaurant worker? Does she really expect them to put themselves in harm's way over someone not wearing a mask? It's dangerous enough dealing with the public! And now you want people who don't get paid nearly what they're worth to do your biding?! Give me a break, Gretch!!!

What more?
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:04pm

Paula, I agree, but what's your solution? We could shut down businesses and the people will lose their place to shop? We all win when people do the right thing and wear a mask. We all lose when people choose not to wear a mask and insist on trespassing.

Wondering
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:54pm

Paula,
Do expect us to excuse or rationalize these vile violent outbursts? Seriously, the governor is acting reasonably under the circumstances. How can you be such an armchair critic? What do you suggest instead? Maybe you should run for office. Not sure what your platform would be: Do whatever you want?

Jake K
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:07am

I respectfully request that Ryan Jarvi , other spokepersons for the AG, AG Nessel and Governor Whitmer themselves spend time in a retail setting and assume the role of mask enforcer. Make sure that their children and significant others also participate. If you're going to make and enforce compliance with arbitrary mandates, you should have real time involved with their implementation. This can't work as a "because I said so," scenario.

Suzanne
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:16pm

Last year I was walking on the Lake Huron beach without shoes and wanted a cup of coffee from a small shop by the beach. I was told I couldn't enter without shoes. There was no outdoor seating or a service window. I asked if I could have someone bring it out to me and the answer was no. I was disappointed, but understood. It was the law and it was up to the shop owner as to whether they wanted to send someone outside. I didn't make a fuss. My high school daughter is one of those low wage mask enforcers and she is mature enough for the job, despite the immature people she may encounter. Such is life. Unfortunately not everyone was taught morals and manners by their parents. Instead they are being taught ideologies and inflexibility. It's a bit depressing. What are we teaching our children? We are so divided as a country. I pray we start seeing the world differently and behave more maturely.

Arjay
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:14am

Wonder how this would have turned out had the defund police crowd had their way. If they could even find a social worker to confront an angry man with two knives and a screwdriver in his hand, the social worker may have turned up dead. Or do you just let a man who has just stabbed another go free with no one even questioning him? Very clear evidence here that the man with the weapons came at the deputy, didn’t drop the weapons when told to, nor did he stop approaching the deputy when told to.

But the mask order is another executive order that lacks clarity. Are store clerks now mask police? Are local police now under control of the state executive branch? I answer my own question on that one that no they are not. So the executive branch which does control the business license division can issue an order to put up a sign on the door requiring masks inside, but that is the extent of their authority.

I say that each of us has a responsibility to protect ourselves from infection. I wear a mask in a store, though science says the homemade variety may not do much good in protecting me. Thus I stay as far away from others as possible, even if it means just waiting for someone else to vacate the area I want to go to. Outside I don’t mask up, but I only go we’re there are few people and little traffic. If I do see another approaching, I will leave the sidewalk or cross to the other side of the street, as I tell myself that everyone approaching has the virus. On a good day, they will see me and move away while I continue on the sidewalk or side of the road.

Common goals
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:37pm

You are doing the correct things, but I disagree that each of us has a responsibility to protect ourselves from infection. We across the country that we just can't do that. The masks are an important element to opening the economy and schools with some small feeling of normalcy. We hear about the violence, but clearly many many more people are complying with the governor's order. Just go to a store and you can see a huge difference from last week. The governor can take away business licenses, for noncompliance, if you prefer.

Arnold Watters
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:17am

Yes we are weary of the Governors playing politics. And time for all stores to take back their returnables. People are beginning to throw lg bags in the trash. Or is that what she's after?

middle of the mit
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:32am

You do know that auto return machines are open, don't you?

And there are plenty of student and charitable organizations that are also asking for those bottles. And people are putting bottles in the trash instead of the plain recycle bin?

What is wrong with people?

jjl
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:38am

Governor Whittmer, One more Executive Order please. Mandate that retailers open an hour early and stay open an hour later to allow the non-mask wearing, gun toting members of our community to shop in peace. There will be no need for excessive staff in the stores because these folks know it all and won’t need assistance. They can use the automated check out lanes. No need to sanitize the stores or carts because disinfectants are for sissies. Their God and State Representatives will protect them from this fake virus. Also allow them one day per week to wait in line to check in privately to their nearest available hospital. Problem solved for one and all.

Covid Party?
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:43pm

That's just the opposite of what the order is meant to accomplish. Where do you find the businesses and employees who want to die, besides maybe gun shops that don't care about human life? Do you think that idea will stop freedom-loving dolts from still trespassing during other store hours? How about you just shop online and promise not to use the ICU?

jjl
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 5:29pm

I was being very sarcastic here. I know for sure this won’t work because the folks who are not wearing masks are having a very difficult time thinking beyond what’s important to them and them alone. You are clearly a thoughtful person. Hang in there. I will too.

LOL
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:44pm

Good one!

Anonymous
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 2:17pm

I served in the Marines. I respect the chain of command and the rule of law. I love my family and use hand sanitizer. I shop with a mask. It's a very minor inconvenience. If you can't afford one, you can make one. Show your support for your fellow Americans by wearing a mask! Many vets have underlying conditions and they already sacrificed so much for you to be able to express your feelings. Make a mask to donate to a vet. It's not about politics. It's about the health of our country and getting back close to normal. As far as fearing China, it's far more concerning to know Russia put bounties on troops.

J.
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:41am

Anyone not following the order needs to be arrested as a danger to the health and safety of the general public. They are going to end up responsible for the social and economic collapse of the USA. All in the name of "personal liberty" because they can't wear a simple face covering when our health professionals wear them for upwards of 14+ hours straight (possibly taking them off for a quick 15 minute bite to eat).

Emily Laurence
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:05pm

I know, my husband is one of those healthcare professionals, permanent lines on his face, social distancing from us at home. I cringe when see such selfishness on the part of virus deniers and antivaxxers. Our whole family has sacrificed so much. Please people wear a mask. It's not too much to ask. It's the kind thing to do for yourself and those you care about, including the businesses trying to cater to your shopping habits the best they can.

Mike
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:47am

Apparently, these useless Sheriffs can't understand the concept of "public safety" being a part of their jobs. They have given legitimacy to the covid spreaders who don't care about endangering the rest of us by not wearing masks. Vote these useless people out of office when their terms expire!

Exactly
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:08pm

It makes you wonder what exactly is their job. We do pay taxes for them to provide public safety.

EB
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:49am

The requirement to wear a mask while inside enclosed public areas has been required for months. Few stores have had signs indicating that masks are required. Cooperation with the requirement among retailers is overall pretty weak; with many stores, even their employees don't wear masks.

Police have been picking and choosing what laws they choose to enforce for some time and many right wing cops appear to despise the rule of law and refuse to enforce laws they don't like.

Our only defenses for this virus are masks, distancing and hand washing and the right wingers reject all of this; they even reject the notion that the virus is worthy of defenses.

Rejection of the rule of law and democratic government has been building since Reagan. I don't see a turn around in our future; we're on a path to chaos. Given the chance to it over again, I would have moved to Canada while still a teenager.

A Yooper
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:03am

For God’s sake it’s just a damn mask.
Our lives are driven by rules & regulations.
We have to have licenses for driving, fishing, hunting, etc.
Signs declaring no shoes no service. No shirts no service.,,duh.
The train is leaving the station. Masks are required to board. If you stay at the station there are caskets available. Pick your model!!!

Michigander
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:14am

People who melt down over being asked to wear a mask have other emotional issues going on.
The peacemaking, caring thing to do is pretty clear here, and most people are indeed doing it.

Bill Brown
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:28am

I worked with Law Enforcement for years as a State Child Protection Investigator and a Juvenile Probation/Parole Officer. I also have many family and friends that work in Law Enforcement. I am quite confident that every Sheriff, Chief of Police, Director of Public Safety, etc, knows full well what Curbside Justice is. They also know that their Deputies, Officers, Constables, etc, have great latitude and discretion when it comes to enforcing Laws and promoting Public Safety. When a patrolman is dispatched for any complaint, that patrolman (or woman) has tremendous latitude as to the outcome of that dispatch.
I would argue that "enforcing" the face mask mandate clearly falls within the purview of maintaining Public Safety. In fact, helping to maintain and support this Executive Order is the well within their responsibilities as keepers of order and propriety in their communities. Going on the record as not willing to support this order flies in the face of the order's intent, which is to maintain the health and safety of the public.
Sadly, many have chosen to politicize this pandemic for any of a number of reasons. And yes, most of the resistance is coming from one particular political party. Comparing the Governor's Executive order to Communist East Germany is a little over the top. I mean, come on, please. You know who you are. Having to wear a surgical mask while shopping at your local grocery or while you wait in line for a seat at your favorite restaurant is not exactly being cut to pieces by machine gun fire hanging upside down tangled in barbed wire trying to escape East Berlin. Give it a rest.
Sheriffs, Chiefs, Directors, do your job to Serve and Protect. In both the most recent case involving a death, and even the one in May, the simple presence of an officer or deputy could have defused the situation without loss of life. Whether a speeder gets off with a warning, a loiterer gets sent on their way, or a drunk moved out of a bar, is that officer's call - - and you all know that.
So the Governor's Order has not been promulgated into Law. It still goes to the heart of your responsibilities as the keepers of Public Safety. With individual legislators making comments like the honorable gentleman from Greenville, this effort at reducing loss related to the pandemic will never be promulgated into the Law. So let's go back to what we see painted on the side of every Law Enforcement vehicle in our great state: Serve and Protect. Way better to have a cop pop around and defuse a situation before someone gets hurt, or worse.
Respectfully, Bill Brown Traverse City

Serve and Protect
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:24pm

Agreed, unfortunately just the opposite is happening. The rebels are being exulted, glorified, and even financially rewarded, like the feckless barber who defied the order. People drove for hours to give him money. So we are indeed getting mixed messages, not about the virus, but about law enforcement and politics. Those lawmakers mentioned in the article are failing us and leaving the governor no choice. At least Shirkey has shown somewhat of a reasoned response. Where did Chatfield go during the pandemic? Do they applaud/justify the violence?

JM
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:32am

Where is the common sense? The only way to stop the spread of this is by wearing a mask (everyone you are out and about with) or staying home. There is proof of this this morning, https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html
We are at war with an invisible deadly killer and for many if they survive will have life time consequences from the illness. The USA's handling of this virus and the fact that in the beginning we were told that masks weren't proven to be effective (by more than one nation's officials) is atrocious and is an embarrassment when you see the numbers of dead. I am in remission of cancer and have been wearing a mask since October long before this pandemic, because I kept getting sick with all that was going around in the fall. I haven't had an illness since then and I am going to continue to wear a mask. I travelled Monday to Detroit and back to Kalamazoo stopping at two rest areas and found only an MDOT worker wearing a mask at the times I stopped. Many others were not wearing a mask. I am sick of people being so selfish. We need to think of others and the effects this is having on the economy so we can get back to normal.
When in war time situations a governor should be able to enact war time measures and laws. Law officials need to step up to the plate and do their part and so does everyone else! Keep things as they are and people will be staying home when things try to open up.
I am praying for people to be more compassionate.

Different times
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:35pm

Sorry about your cancer. I wish you the best. I can't believe the situation in Florida and the decision to open Disney World. Our priorities and intelligence are questionable at best. We are so far removed from the sacrifices of the greatest generation and our ability to recognize a common enemy, like a viral pandemic or Putin. Now we are our own enemies Americans against Americans fighting against affordable healthcare during a pandemic. Trump is fighting to get rid of the ACA in court right now. He promised a better and cheaper alternative in 2016, but we still haven't seen it in 2020. I pray you hang in there. God bless you! At the very least, Biden will bring back American compassion, something that is sorely missed. Please people Make America Nice Again!

SS
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:34am

Let’s think about this... when was the last time a government leader or official told a business what they can’t do? How about today in Communist China... It’s coming America. Oh, wait it’s already here thanks to Governor Whitmer. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Debunk the Junk
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:42pm

You obviously do not own a business in America and never have. They are called regulations. We just let you have your lemonade stand because you were a child and didn't make much money. Don't be silly. Grow up! By the way, do you remember when Snyder imposed an Emergency Manager on the city of Flint who poisoned the water? That government allowed GM to have clean water.

Jonah212
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:04am

Shame on those who refuse to wear masks to protect themselves and others. And...it is disheartening to hear Republicans fight against mask wearing. Are they the same kinds of idiots who ignored masks and distancing in places like Florida and Texas?
Can you imagine what Michigan would be like if Snyder were Governor during this epidemic. We would be burying masses of people given all the attention he and the Republicans paid to the continuing disaster in Flint.

John McGehee
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:11am

Bridge... please choose your headline words carefully. Your words make it appear that its more widespread than a couple of unstable individuals. Please don't feed the fear.

Anonymous
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:43pm

It's a few, but the violence is horrific.

Dot Louise
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:16am

OMG, save a life [yours and mine] wear a face mask. If you don't wear one than you are violating my right to live! Our retail front line workers have enough to worry about than whether or not they will be attacked for simply requesting that you wear a mask in the establishment where they work. If you don't want to wear one, don't go into the establishment. I say get a grip on yourselves, it is just a mask!

Geoffrey Owen
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:48am

Seems like we need to change the requirements for County Sheriff. These guys are elected to office, but who do they account to? Through the pandemic they seem to be making up their own minds about how to do their job.

chief54
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:50am

I had always thought that Sheriff's Departments were law enforcement agencies? It appears here in Michigan Sheriffs decide the laws and what they will enforce. I keep reading that this Sheriff or that Sheriff are making their own decisions, to hell with the Gov or the folks they serve, what am I missing?

Maybe they're all republicans and are taking orders from the great orange man in Washington. Since he won't wear a mask I guess the Sheriff's don't feel anyone else should have to either.

Jake D
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:47pm

I know. Is there a law where sheriffs can issue their own executive orders when there is a state of emergency and defy the governor?

Rose
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 7:55pm

They hypocrisy on the part of Republicans is mind blowing. They are all for "law and order"but now they do not think they need to enforce or obey a law they don't like? What the heck is up with that? The next time I come to a stop sign and just don't want to stop because I don't like that law, I won't stop. If selfish me kills a kid by blowing that stop sign, oh well. Too bad. Just like the attitude of asympomatic COVID-infected people are killing others by spreading COVID. Also the "constitutional rights" that keep getting talked about --last time I read the constitution, masks are not mentioned, Neither are stop signs. So, since I don't like that law and have a "constitutional right" to do whatever the heck I want to do regardless of the consequences to others, I guess I will blow the stop sign every time.

Francis Allore
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:54pm

I agree 100%. Besides we ALL have constitutional rights. To people without masks I say don't your germs tread on me!

Anna
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 9:40am

Michigan (and all states) have many, many laws on the books that are not enforced or are enforced rarely and selectively. For example, there's a law against driving with a cracked windshield, but people are rarely stopped or ticketed for violating this law unless the officer's attention was drawn to them by some other aspect of their behavior or appearance. There are laws against loitering and vagrancy, but many of our cities have encampments of homeless people who are left alone until or unless nearby property owners complain to officials.
Some of Governor Whitmer's Executive Orders, such as allowing fishing from unpowered boats but not those with motors, were nonsensical. Sheriffs have much better things to do than hang around public boat launches watching for people with fishing gear and a trawling motor in their row boats. Or even worse, they might spend hours in surveilance of private lakes to prevent those privileged property owners from using catching fish in the lakes they pay to stock!

Except for some revenue-raising excesses in Oakland and Wayne Counties, apparently our sheriffs and police officers have figured out that they have MUCH better things to do than issue tickets for "illegal landscaping" to farmers driving their tractors out to plow or plant their remote-from-farmhouse fields, or shoppers who bought pool toys, pool chemicals, bedding plants and drywall on their trip to an "essential retailer" in early May. Law enforcement responding only when called by businesses who wish to have mask refusers arrested is a very reasonable way for our police forces to "de-escalate" the conflicts over masks and have the time and resources for other aspects of their jobs.

middle of the mit
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 11:58am

https://www.newsweek.com/mississippi-gov-argues-against-herd-immunity-as...

Let’s talk about herd immunity. I’ve listened to some people argue that the rapid spread of cases is a good thing, and we need to reach herd immunity in Mississippi and elsewhere to survive. I’m not a health care expert by any means, but I am a math guy. And I have thoughts:
— Tate Reeves (@tatereeves) July 13, 2020

Taking a cautious figure of a 40 percent infection rate, he tweeted that with the three million-strong population of his state there would need to be 1.2 million infections to achieve that hypothetical threshold.

"To get to 40% infections, we'd need 3,187 new cases every day for a full year from today. We would need to TRIPLE our worst day—every day—for a year."

"Unless you're willing to go without hospitals after a car wreck or heart attack, we need a different approach. Right now, despite mixed messages at the beginning, it seems like masks are the best bet. They're a hell of a lot better than widespread shut downs. Please wear one!" he said in the thread which was shared thousands of times./////////////

And that is HALF of what would be needed for FULL herd immunity. So make it two years worth of triple infections. That is with a population of 3 million. Do the math for a population of almost 10 million.

Please put signs on business doors whether or not you enforce mask wearing. Customers can then make up their minds whether or not they want to enter your establishment.

If this isn't a conservative thing about the non-masks, why are they the ones complaining about freedom being taken from them? Business can either cater to them or they can cater to those who care about others freedom to breath without being infected. Who are you going to serve? The cordial non mask wearers that get irate and violent or those that don't want to be a disease vector or superspreader?

Mark Powell
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 10:20pm

I can tell you this, you're not a math guy.

middle of the mit
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 12:21pm

Mark,

I never claimed to be one. That is the Republican Governor of MS.

Could you show us your epidemiologist or viral disease certification?

LOL
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 2:56pm

God bless you, Middle.

Allison Friedman
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 12:53pm

Look at the virus statistics for MI, then compare them to the other states.

M!chigan
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 3:10pm

I know. Whitmer is doing an awesome job!

Katie
Thu, 07/16/2020 - 6:58pm

Is she doing an awesome job putting covd patients with well patients in nursing homes? Killing thousands of our elderly. Do you people really expect the police to come running for non mask 911 calls when they have rapes, murders, home invasions, robbery must I go on.

Robyn A Tonkin
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:21pm

The state legislator who compared a simple health order to life in Eastern Germany when it was under Soviet domination A. needs to calm way, way down (and needs to be voted out of office next time since he can't be rational and objective about issues) B. needs to realize the grave disservice he did his ancestors. Students of post war history agree that the brand of communism practiced in East Germany was a whole-cloth continuation of Nazism. It was a horribly poor, horribly corrupt and horribly frightening place to live. Not like Michigan in 2020 AT ALL.
What is it with people today??? I have made many masks by now. I am always improving my methods and materials, so I am somewhat of an expert by now, having "drunk from the fire hose" in learning how to do this. I have been sewing for 60 years. First and foremost, masks do not cut down your air. Our daughter wears my masks at her extremely important navy job, for 10 hours at a time, and she weight trains and runs every day, so she would know if mask wearing was cutting into her oxygen. It's not. Our beloved little grandson wears the masks grammy makes him, with Teddy bears printed on the fabric, "because of the germs." If a six year old can "get it" what wrong with you 60 year olds? I am so glad my son-in-law has my masks, since a covid 19 positive coworker has been identified. At least I afforded him the workplace protection I was able. If I contract covid 19 I WILL DIE. Growing up in the Downriver in the glory days bequeathed me chronic bronchitis from the factory pollution. I go no where. My husband shops for us and wears my masks. A plumber is coming to the house next week, and I discussed how he must have a mask and gloves on before he comes inside. You know what is a real crap shoot? Deciding when you're healthy that covid 19 won't make you very sick. If you're laying there, with a machine breathing for you and your body dying because of the effects of silent hypoxia, you're going to wish you had taken a few precautions. Put on a mask when you go outside, and then move on to thinking about something worthwhile.

Daniel
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 1:50pm

My neighbor's friend went to get tested for Covid-19. He signed the papers when he checked in. Then after two hours of waiting . He left . Then two days later got back a letter saying he tested positive. Wake up people. The numbers are being skewed! A hospital gets federal aid for every Covid death if there's any doubt what do you think nurses and doctors are going to put down for cause of death.

I call BS
Wed, 07/15/2020 - 9:40pm

"My neighbor's friend" LOL Could you get anymore far removed? Was that something you read in a spam email chainletter? Did you ever play the telephone game in elementary school?

Daniel
Mon, 07/27/2020 - 2:09pm

To I call Bs the neighbor I am talking about is a caregiver in our home 35 hours to my mom who has Alzheimer's her name is Tammy her husband name is Gary. The coworker of Gary name who is the "friend" name is Tim I am not giving last names to protect their privacy.

Warren Silverwood
Fri, 07/17/2020 - 12:19am

I'm for Liberty, and if you ain't for that then you are of no use to me.

Daniel 28
Sat, 07/18/2020 - 1:34am

I wasn't gonna post this but I'm a grocery worker wear a mask and get over it. What if dr fauci is right wear a mask. What if Dr fauci is wrong wear a mask. What if President Trump is right wear a mask. What if Presisident Trump is wrong wear a mask. What if Governor Whitmer executive order is constitutionally right wear a mask. What if Governor Whitmer executive order is constitutionally wrong wear a mask. What if all politicians are wrong wear a mask. What if all politicians are right wear a mask. What if all doctors studies are wrong about the virus wear a mask. What if all doctors studies are right about the virus wear a mask. What if common sense dictates as a common courtesy to your fellow man you don't go spreading your germs all over public areas in the middle of a pandemic. Wear a mask! If you don't want to protect yourself think of others you may be protecting like my mother who my father is taking care of with help of a caregiver 35 hours a week who is 73 whom I live at home with and has early onset Alzheimer's and is bedridden so if she gets Corona Virus she's probably a goner. So I go to work wear gloves Take a shower right when I walk in the door. When I am at work I do everything to protect myself including So I Wear a Mask and would appreciate if you did too if not for me than for my mom.

Lags
Sun, 07/19/2020 - 9:47am

During H1N1 flu in 1918 people wore masks but, also there was a anti mask league. Make everyday halloween have fun stop bickering over petty stuff, happy people make better company. Is this how we want history to remember us?

Givemeliberty
Thu, 08/06/2020 - 7:55am

Whitless does not have the ability to suspend our god given rights.. period. The constitution does not enumerate our rights and then say the federal and state governments can suspend them at will. Just like her school orders that will require parents and kids to give up their rights to attend school. She needs to go..