Four partisans must certify Michigan’s election. One makes no promises.

Voters in Flint cast ballots on Election Day this month. President Donald Trump wants to delay certification of the election, citing alleged fraud. Experts and state officials say the president and his supporters have brought forth no credible evidence. (Bridge photo by Dale Young)

LANSING — As chairman of Michigan's 8th Congressional District Republican Committee, Norm Shinkle actively worked to re-elect President Donald Trump. 

Now, he’s poised to play a key role in deciding whether to certify Michigan election results that Trump is publicly disputing and fighting in court.

Shinkle is a member of the Board of State Canvassers, a constitutionally created body that is intentionally partisan. The panel, appointed by the governor, is composed of two Democrats and two Republicans who cannot certify election results without bipartisan consensus in the form of at least a 3-1 majority vote. 

In the case of a 2-2 tie, legal experts say state courts would likely order the board to certify the Michigan election. In the unlikely event that doesn’t happen, Democrats fear the Republican-led Legislature could be put in position to decide how the state awards its 16 presidential electors

As they prepare for what they expect to be a certification vote this month, canvassers told Bridge they are tracking the legal drama unfolding in Michigan, where Trump has claimed victory despite unofficial results that show he lost to Democrat Joe Biden by nearly 150,000 votes

“I make no predictions on this,” said Shinkle, a former state senator who lives in Ingham County. 

“If you just go ahead and certify everything that comes in front of you, what prevents people from cheating? There's got to be a penalty if there is cheating going on.”

His wife, Mary Shinkle, is a witness in Trump’s federal lawsuit as one of more than 100 GOP poll challengers who filed affidavits about their experience at the TCF Center in Detroit, where absentee votes were counted. 

“She saw a lot of strange things going on,” Shinkle told Bridge, pledging to keep an open mind about the statewide election overseen by local officials in 1,600 jurisdictions. 

“I only know stuff second- and third-hand,” he said. “When it comes to my job on the Board of State Canvassers, I wait until I hear both sides before I make a decision.”

Michigan election timeline

Nov. 3: Election

Nov. 5: Canvasser boards in all of Michigan’s 83 counties meet to review local election results

Nov. 17: County canvassing boards certify local results and send to the Michigan Secretary of State

Nov. 23: Board of State Canvassers meet to review and certify statewide election results

Nov. 25: Deadline to petition for presidential recount

Dec. 8: Congress “safe harbor” date for states to dedicate electors

Dec. 14: Electoral College votes in state Legislatures

 

Shinkle said he doesn’t “make much” of Trump’s claim that he won Michigan: “I haven't seen evidence to back up the statement yet.”

And while he said he’s “heard about” possible election fraud, “I haven't seen it” and “I'm not convinced of it,” Shinkle told Bridge. 

The state board is the last in a multi-step process designed to ensure the integrity of Michigan elections. First, local clerks tabulate results and work to fix mistakes, including the kind of human errors that temporarily inflated Biden vote counts in Oakland, Shiawassee and Antrim counties. 

Then, bipartisan county canvassing boards from each of Michigan’s 83 counties review local vote counts and certify by Nov. 17.  

Only then will the results reach the state board by Nov. 23, when canvassers are tasked with considering the county findings, a recommendation from the Michigan Bureau of Elections and any testimony that campaigns or other observers wish to offer. 

“We’re like the third step in the process,” said Julie Matuzak of Clinton Township, a Democrat who has served on the state board for a decade and is a retired union political director for the American Federation of Teachers in Michigan.

“By the time it comes to us, we’re going to look at the report, which includes notations about errors and precincts that had problems, and we’re going to certify.”

Democrats expect certification

Statewide certification would effectively settle any lingering questions over how Michigan’s 16 presidential electors should be awarded before the Electoral College officially selects the next president on Dec. 14.

But state certification would also trigger a 48-hour window in which the Trump campaign could petition for a recount. 

Matuzak said she’s confident both Republicans on the board “are going to do their jobs” and join Democrats to certify the results. That’s what happened four years ago in reverse, when board members unanimously certified a much closer election that Trump won by 10,704 votes. 

“I don't blame anybody for their spouse’s actions,” Matuzak said of Shinkle, whose wife filed an affidavit in the Trump lawsuit. 

“We don't get to choose whether we like a candidate or don't like a candidate or represent our party. We're going to certify so that people have confidence in the election result.”

Jeannette Bradshaw, an Ortonville Democrat and recording secretary for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 58 union, said Trump’s legal challenges and false victory claim should not affect certification. 

“My job stays the same regardless of vote count,” she said. “We have backstops in place to ensure a fair vote in michigan. We have paper ballots. We have that.” 

Democrats on the Board of State Canvassers say they’ve seen no credible evidence of election fraud and told Bridge they are concerned about Trump’s rhetoric. 

“I don’t think it’s helping the integrity of our democratic process, our elections, not only in the state of Michigan, but other states,” Bradshaw said.  “I think there’s always going to be questions now in every election, and I don’t think that’s fair to the clerks or the clerks’ staff.”

The other Republican on the board, Aaron Van Langevelde, did not respond to a Bridge voicemail or other attempts to reach him. He’s an attorney who currently works for the House Republican caucus. 

Members are appointed by the governor to four year terms and can be re-appointed. They make $75 per day when they meet and also oversee recounts for state-level offices, canvass ballot proposal petitions and approve electronic voting systems used in local communities across the state. 

Board members are aware of past election administration problems in Detroit. After an August primary marred by counting problems, canvassers directed Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to step in and assist the city.

For the general election, the state helped recruit and train workers to count a flood of absentee ballots in Detroit. Former Bureau of Elections Director Chris Thomas came out of retirement to oversee the process in Michigan's largest city. 

“I’ll be eager” to hear how that process worked, Bradshaw said. “You couldn't get more transparent than being open in the TCF Center.”

She questioned why Republicans sent scores of challengers to Detroit, and why the Trump campaign’s federal lawsuit specifically questions the validity of votes in the African-American majority city, as opposed to neighboring Oakland and Macomb counties. 

“It's disheartening,” Bradshaw said. 

Trump delay a long shot

In a new federal lawsuit officially filed Wednesday morning, Trump campaign attorneys alleged that Republican poll challengers were intimidated, harassed and denied full legal access to observe Wayne County absentee ballot counting at the TCF Center in Detroit. 

The complaint asks the court to prohibit Benson and the Board of State Canvassers from certifying Michgian’s election results “until they have verified and confirmed that all ballots that were tabulated and included in the final reported election results were cast in compliance with the provisions of the Michigan Election Code as set forth herein.” 

Jake Rollow, a spokesperson for Benson, called the lawsuit “a press release masquerading as a legal claim designed to promote false claims aimed at eroding the public’s confidence in Michigan elections.”

A separate lawsuit filed on behalf of GOP challengers by the conservative Great Lakes Justice Center seeks to stop the Wayne County Board of Canvassers from certifying results in Detroit and surrounding communities. 

In a Wednesday hearing, David Fink, attorney for the City of Detroit, raised what he called the “desperately dangerous” specter of the Michigan Legislature attempting to appoint electors if Michigan’s election isn’t certified by Dec. 8.

He said doing so would make voters “completely disenfranchised” by “unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.” 

The Wayne County suit seeks an audit of local election results before certification, which Fink called a clear attempt at a delay because audits are typically conducted after canvassers complete the certification. 

“The outcome undermines the very bedrock of democracy and provides fuel for right-wing fire for those who want to undermine democracy that voting isn’t fair,” Fink said.

A decision in that case is likely Friday.

Trump’s lawsuit, focused on Detroit but filed in the more conservative Western District federal court, is not likely to stop the certification process in Michigan, said David Becker, executive director and founder of the Center for Election Innovation & Research. 

“I don’t think this has any chance of being successful,” he said, noting the president’s campaign is “0-for-12 in post-election lawsuits” nationally, including a Michigan Court of Claims case rejected last week as “hearsay.”

“If there’s a rogue judge that will be supported by his circuit court on one of these and delay certification, I guess that’s something that we’ll have to deal with at the time,” Becker said 

“The chance of this happening is not zero, but it’s really close to zero.”

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Bart
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 7:08pm

The ethical thing for Mr. Shinkle to do is resign, so another Republican with no ties to a Trump lawsuit can replace him. That's no guarantee the replacement will be impartial. But Mr. Shinkle can't be impartial - not when he's married to a party to a lawsuit intended to bypass the election results and award Michigan's electoral votes to Trump.

Resign or Recuse
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 9:19pm

Exactly. It's a total conflict of interest. Resign or recuse.

Colleen
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 10:04am

I totally agree. If wife has shenanigans to report she should go to the proper authority and husband should stay out of it. Too much gossip swirling around in that household. Recuse or resign.

Marie Irvin
Sat, 11/21/2020 - 1:01pm

Bart, you are absoljutely correct, recuse himself or resign, because he obviously can not be impartial.

GOP Lies
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 9:21pm

I just threw up in my mouth. I cannot believe this BS. There is no credible evidence to back these frivolous lawsuits.

middle of the mit
Wed, 11/11/2020 - 9:25pm

So Mr Shikle says this :
“I make no predictions on this,” said Shinkle, a former state senator who lives in Ingham County.

“If you just go ahead and certify everything that comes in front of you, what prevents people from cheating? There's got to be a penalty if there is cheating going on.”
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Then he says this.:
“I only know stuff second- and third-hand,” he said. “When it comes to my job on the Board of State Canvassers, I wait until I hear both sides before I make a decision.”

Shinkle said he doesn’t “make much” of Trump’s claim that he won Michigan: “I haven't seen evidence to back up the statement yet.”

And while he said he’s “heard about” possible election fraud, “I haven't seen it” and “I'm not convinced of it,” Shinkle told Bridge.
_______________________________________

Sounds to me like this guy knows nothing happened, but is willing to toss off the fact that there is no evidence to promote his reason for not doing his duty to certify the person the people of MI voted for President.

This isn't both sides. It's isn't even partisan.

It's un American.

Jim
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 7:18am

Yes, good plan, just disqualify all those who oppose us.

Yes, he's hearing things second and third hand, just like every judge in the state does. The Board of Canvassers job is to ensure a legitimate election by hearing every side including allegations of fraud, BEFORE the election is certified. Not just rubber stamp the process.

Considering in the last Presidential election 37% of voting precincts in Wayne County recorded more votes that they had people recorded as voting, allegations of fraud in that county should be investigated. If Democrats know there's nothing illegal going on they should welcome an investigation to prove them right and ensure the integrity of the election. Americans aren't buying the "it's just an error" line. A widespread and similar "error" in specific areas indicates it's more than an error.

That Democrats are resorting to their standard fall back of RACISM is more indications that something is not right. Democrats lost any ability to claim racism after voting against John James.

MW
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:28am

Just a reminder, Michigan allows same day voter registration and it sounds like at least 37% of voting precients in Wayne county had voters who utilized that change.

The "if you have nothing to hide..." garbage is Trump and his sycophants grasping at straws. If this play were happening in any other country, nobody would hesitate to call it what it is, an attempted coup.

Tell me, are you okay with the wholesale deletion of 1.2 million Michigan votes, which Trump is pushing for? He's not asking for a recount or an investigation anymore, now he wants to just throw out the votes that went against him.

Marie Irvin
Sat, 11/21/2020 - 1:06pm

Why only audit Wanye county, why not all of Michigan.

middle of the mit
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 10:01am

Jim,

Considering the last election of 2016 and the fact that their were inconsistencies, yet conservatives weren't clammeriing for a recount like they are now, because they won last time. But there aren't as many or any this year, What gives?

And as MW said, same day registration will add to voter totals. That doesn't mean they are fraudulent. Why do you see fraud everywhere you look, except for where you won?

Let's see, who brought up race? YOU DID! Because I didn't vote for a Republican who happens to be black? I voted for Obama. I voted for Joe. His running mate is black and I actually preferred her!. I voted for the Governor. The Lt. Governor is black. And I didn't organize a mob who had no training in election law to go into an African American majority city to "monitor" how they conduct elections because I think it's all a fraud.

I'll let ya ponder that for a while.

M
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 7:54am

Who do these people think they are? This guy has no business being involved in our election. These people are fascist sympathizers who belong in prison for trying to subvert the government.

Own the Libs
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 8:37am

GOP: Party over country. Nothing to see here, folks, disperse.

Writing on Wall
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 8:41am

Court cases dismissed in record speed when counsel for the GOP plaintiffs have to swear under oath that they have evidence of fraud or abuse. These cases are just a GOP rouse to sucker donors for more money, try to win Georgia senate seats. They fear Trump's omnipotent powers will cost them Georgia senate seats. They don't give a rat's butt about keeping Trump president. EVERYONE knows Trump LOST. Just ask turdblossom Karl Rove.

Almighty Dollar
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 8:45am

Reasonable Republicans need to leave the party and join the Democrats. The Republicans have been commandeered by fundamentalists and extreme partisans that believe the end justify the means. No lie or conspiracy is too grand to embrace, no scientific fact too sound to deny. Enough of this lunacy. It will destroy this state once and for all.

These lawsuits, along with the John James lawsuit (my life is a blueprint for others) shows just how delusional they have become. James and his minions calling Peters every name in the book (liar, corrupt, lazy, dishonest, criminally enriching himself) is so beyond the pale it is embarrassing to the entire state and to the military academy. Enough!

Way, Truth, Life
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:38am

GOP: Hypocrites who worship Mammon/Golden Calf.

MotownMom
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 8:53am

"Matuzak said she’s confident both Republicans on the board “are going to do their jobs” and join Democrats to certify the results. That’s what happened four years ago in reverse, when board members unanimously certified a much closer election that Trump won by 10,704 votes. "

Hillary didn't file any lawsuits in 2016, and the difference between her and Trump in MI, WI and PA was less than 78,000 votes.

Biden won Michigan by over 146,000 votes...... more than all 3 states combined in 2016. Throwing up lies about voting makes people suspicious of our democratic republic's primary Constitutional support system.

Holding onto power at any cost, even frivolous lawsuits, demeans America

Just sayin'
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 9:05am

I don't think Norm wants to go to jail for Mary. You can't just make up crap under oath. You kind of need proof, not just a feeling.

Mary Lou Flatter
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 9:43am

What I have not seen is a review of other counties using the same computer program as Antrim County. That program turned 6,000 votes for Trump to votes for Biden . It seems to me if it happened in Antrim logically it would not be surprising in the other 20 plus counties using the same program. The program also has been used in other states. This voter's trust has been diminished in the election results and those running the process.

MW
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:31am

You haven't seen it because you haven't looked. Antrim posted an explanation and so did the State. Go look it up.

Game On
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:41am

I know, more like Mary Lou Liar. She knows, just keeps repeating lies. It's the GOP playbook.

RCP
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 9:53am

I agree with Bart...he must resign or recuse himself...even if he firmly believes he can do the job, the fact that his wife is party to a lawsuit claiming fraud in the voting gives the appearances of impropriety and perception becomes fact in the eyes of so many...so do the right thin...Resign or recuse yourself from this decision Mr. Shinkle.

KJMC
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 10:07am

Sounds like a good referendum for next election - we just changed the districting to take it out of the hands of partisan political hacks, but the Board of State Canvassers is intentionally in the hands of partisan political hacks? Shinkle is bad enough, but Langevelde is even worse - a lawyer for the GOP House. The same group that just issued unheard-of subpoenas to cast more doubt on a properly held election.

Biden won fair and square, but we get three more weeks of wondering if the Michigan GOP is going to overturn the will of the people. But, I suppose, from their perspective, that's the will of 'those other people', and 'their people' largely voted for Trump. Throwing out the results of an election you don't like is straight out of the dictator playbook.

Anonymous
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:46am

Imagine if the the tables were turned and the creeps storming the capitol with guns won fair and square, but the Democrats pulled this crap. They would be having hissyfits parading with their weapons demanding an immediate concession, plotting violence. Those two-faced patriots.

EB
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 10:33am

Trump wants to select the Michigan counties to be counted and exclude Ingham, Washtenaw and Wayne.

Boards of canvassers, both at the state and county levels, include an equal number of Democrats and Republicans. If two Republicans on the State Board of Canvassers refuse to certify this election unless 1.2 million votes in Ingham, Washtenaw and Wayne are thrown out, I'm quite certain that the two Democrats on the board would insist on throwing out enough Trump won counties to balance this injustice.

This is a food fight, that's not going to happen.

Morality
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 10:48am

Who wants the legacy of supporting American Pinochet who will annihilate us before leaving? Trump left us to confront Covid and everything else on our own. Where is he? What is he doing? Did he leave the country already?

Liz H
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 12:07pm

So what is the punishment for filing false affidavits ? What guarantee that these people will be punished to the fullest extent of the law ? These lawsuits based on lies are eroding the public’s confidence in Michigan elections.

MW
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:39am

I read through the affidavits and they are mostly unfalsifiable claims. Like people saying they "believe" something improper was happening but not having any actual proof. One person said it was odd that the military votes went overwhelming for Biden because he always heard the military leaned conservative. Another person thought loud PA announcements were an example of voter intimidation.

It's a joke and these lawyers need to be disbarred for trying to pass these affidavits as credible evidence.

Susan R
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:51am

Trump has been telling us for months that if he lost, the election was rigged. So yeah, there was only one possible fair result to our election, a Trump victory. Why would evangelicals not vote for a thieving lying fornicating adulterer disrespectful to the military, the poor, and people with special needs?

Denis S. Condon
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 12:31pm

WHY, WHY TO YOU ALL IN THE PRESS KEEP SAYING THE "MAIL IN BALLOTS" ARE
"ABSENTEE BALLOTS" THEY ARE NOT!!! THE SAME....ABSENTEE BALLOTS HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT SYSTEM & ARE VERIFIED & VERY SECURE.
THANKS.

MW
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:43am

BECAUSE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AND THE ONLY PERSON TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE IS A MEANINGFUL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS TRUMP GRASPING AT STRAWS.

zooman
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 12:54pm

Anyone who thinks Trump intends to leave the White House on January 20 has not been paying attention. Anyone who doubts that Biden carried Michigan hasn't looked at the results. He had over 148,000 more votes than the incumbent. No one has produced any evidence that there was fraud in Michigan, let alone fraud that would cast any doubt on the results.
The incumbent is not merely trying to delegitimize President-elect Biden and make it more difficult to bring the country together. He is jeopardizing national security by refusing to Biden and his team the essential information that they need to know now so that they have a full understanding of intelligence and other information they will need to hit the ground running with a full understanding of the threats the nation faces.

Analogous
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:55am

It's kind of like the GOP legislature in Michigan taking away the governors powers and doing nothing to fight covid or help her. They only want to destroy us/our state on her watch. Pro Life? I don't think so. There's a GOP pattern of unbecoming behavior.

Anonymous
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 1:38pm

People like this guy sicken me. He should find another rock to hide under when this is over.

Lawn order
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 4:13pm

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-campaign-sharpie-gate-affidavits

At the hearing, the Trump campaign’s lawyer Kory Langhofer stressed that they were not claiming any “fraud” occurred

“It is not a fraud case, it is not a ‘stealing the election’ case,” Langhofer said. “This is, compared to that, a relatively boring and anodyne case about the proper procedures being followed.”

Before the judge got into the merits of the dispute, he grilled the Trump campaign on the major problems in how it was collecting affidavits from voters who supposedly witnessed the tabulator issues

The judge said that the campaign’s own admission that many people submitted apparently untruthful declarations, supposedly under penalty of perjury, showed that the way the campaign was collecting that evidence wasn’t in fact reliable.

“So, some of the affidavits that your solicitation received were from people that you can prove were not in fact voters on Election Day,” Kiley said. “You can prove that those affidavits are in fact false?”

Langhofer also admitted that they filtered out those declarants who were deemed obviously fake, because they used a fictitious name or profanity in their email addresses.

“To clarify … your solicitation of witnesses yielded some affidavits from people — sworn affidavits — that you yourself determined are clearly false and ‘spam’ as you put it?” the judge said.

Langhofer tried to suggest that because the declarations were submitted under punishment perjury, they could be trusted. But then the judge pointed out that the ones the campaign itself deemed to be fake were submitted under that disclaimer as well.

“If your process for gathering declarations has yielded sworn statements under oath that your investigation has determined to be false, that doesn’t give me any reason to believe that your process is one that generates trustworthy affidavits,” Kiley said. “It simply generated affidavits that you can’t prove are not true. That’s not the same as being trustworthy.”
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I guess they didn't have their ducks in a row in Arizona! Will they in Wisconsin and here in MI? Do you suppose those who filed false affidavits will be punished for perjuring themselves and wasting the courts time?

Naaa! That doesn't happen to the law and order sect!

What is it they say about scofflaws? Let's make an example out of these ones so that it doesn't happen again?

Yeah! That's it! Let's do that!!

MW
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:49am

I'd highly recommend people search for the actual affidavits. They are laughable and prove nothing. Any lawyer presenting those as credible evidence should be disbarred.

Lawn order
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 10:31am

Isn't it hilarious? We aren't supposed to intimidated by a bunch of white guys dressed in quasi para military gear with ARs everywhere, but if there is black man of large stature and a booming voice giving them directions? INTIMIDATION!

Workers talking over the PA? Intimidation!!

I agree. I hope the judges have a way to deal with this besides just humiliation.

C P
Wed, 11/18/2020 - 8:02am

Nah, Joe is going to reach across the aisle and hug it out. Bygones be bygones, love will conquer all and all that.

Arjay
Thu, 11/12/2020 - 5:44pm

This article is a little confusing. Are all the absentee ballots within Wayne County counted at the TCF Center, or only those from Detroit? If I am a resident of a western Wayne County city, and I voted absentee, does that mean my ballot was transferred to the TCF Center to be counted, or did my local city clerk count the absentee ballot. If it was counted in Detroit, I have zero confidence that it was counted correctly.

Another item is the ballot tracking process for absentee ballots on the SOS website. This site tracks when a ballot is requested, when the ballot is mailed to the absentee person, and when it is received back at the local clerks office. What it does not provide is when it was counted. There is some statement on the SOS website that the barcode is removed to protect voter integrity so they are unable to tell if a ballot got counted, but if the removed barcodes were used, it would give partial confirmation that the ballot was counted. The SOS website goes to great lengths about how voting in person gives a voter 100% confidence that the ballot made it through the tabulator. Time to rethink the whole absentee process.

The other

LMAO
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:59am

Detroit is the county seat. So your vote will be thrown out too.

Anonymous
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 1:01am

Or maybe you should move to a red county.

Geoffrey Owen
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 12:53am

I thought that politics was compared to making sausage. Darned if it was ever said about voting, but that seems to be the case evolving from the affidavits by GOP election observers in Detroit. I hope they realize they are committing Federal crimes if what they are saying has no solid evidence to support it. And I'm sure there were cameras, so let's put some people to work to sew a batch of orange jumpsuits.

Concerned
Fri, 11/13/2020 - 12:01pm

Do you know how we can tune in to the board of canvassers upcoming meeting ?

You asked
Sat, 11/14/2020 - 1:03am

Just wear a tinfoil hat.

William C. Plumpe
Sun, 11/15/2020 - 2:34pm

IF there is fraud Mr Shinkle...
BUT that's a VERY BIG IF...
IF you have credible and reliable evidence not just heresay of real material fraud then produce it and let the Courts decide.
I highly doubt if any supposed evidence you could produce would be enough to erase Biden's 150,000 vote lead.
Otherwise hold your peace and vote to certify. Admit it. Trump lost Michigan and lost the popular vote and will lose the Electoral College vote too.
Get over it and move on.

Lags
Tue, 11/17/2020 - 9:39am

Do the right thing! Stolen tree's don't grow..

Gina
Thu, 11/19/2020 - 11:34am

It is shameful that Democrats honestly believe Trump lost Michigan not all black constituents vote Democrat. The more the black constituency learn facts the more they take ownership of their decisions in life for their family and their future and vote.. being informed is dangerous to the Democratic party but in a good way.

Pamela
Thu, 11/19/2020 - 11:10pm

HOLD UP...They said Defendants systematically used false information to process ballots, such as using
incorrect or false birthdays. Many times, the election workers inserted new names
into the QVF after the election and recorded these new voters as having a birthdate
of 1/1/1900.

Excuse me, but, if I were going to lie in a situation such as this, I don't think I would make my Voters 120 years old. 1/1/1900? THAT is a dead giveaway! LOL

Marie A Irvin
Sat, 11/21/2020 - 12:58pm

There is no crediable evidenace of mass voter fraud in Michigan, so why only audit Wayne county, why not ALL of Michigan. To me the answer is obvious. Something dont smell right in the gumbo.

Elizabeth Smith
Sat, 11/21/2020 - 10:42pm

I think at this point the Republican Party needs to consider its role in this election drama going forward. Does it want to contribute to a civil, engaged dialogue about governance in this country, or does it wish to exacerbate and exploit our uncertainties, leading to instability and chaos? Reasonably, given the margin of votes that Biden won in the state of Michigan and the fraction of votes that were “problematic” in Wayne County, is it worth creating such doubt in the integrity of our voting system to challenge them? I understand that in normal times, this margin of error would not be questioned and would be easily explained.
The situation nationally is of grave concern. It could be said that the Republican Party itself and its antics to this point is a threat to national security, especially if its leaders persist in the belief and assertion that fraud occurred and that the Biden/Harris ticket was illegitimately elected despite all legal challenges to the contrary. I urge the party’s leaders and officials to carefully consider their public stances once the electoral college officially votes on the matter lest their position be misconstrued. It is important in a democracy — and in any civil society for that matter — to set a good example for the populace, support the law of the land without question, and engage with the new government.