Lots of rain, few fireworks at latest protest of Michigan’s stay-at-home rules

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

SLIDESHOW: A protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order at the Michigan Capitol drew about 200 mostly peaceful protesters. (Bridge photos by Dale Young)

LANSING — Renea Knight stood behind cardboard prison bars on a sidewalk in front of the Michigan Capitol on Thursday to protest what she called the “tyranny” of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order. 

Knute Hill formed a counterprotest on the Capitol lawn, offering a lonely voice of support for Whitmer from inside a circular safe zone he erected using plastic tubing.

They were among the roughly 200 activists at a rain-soaked demonstration at the Michigan Capitol. It was a largely peaceful affair aside from a fight among anti-Whitmer protesters after one reportedly hung a doll from a noose, which rally organizers denounced as a form of “hate speech.”

The protest was considerably smaller than an April 30 demonstration hosted by the same group, whose speakers called on Whitmer to resign and argued her public health measures have trampled on individual liberties and done lasting damage to the state economy.

Only some protesters wore masks despite the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, which as of Wednesday had killed 4,714 Michiganders since March. Many eschewed 6-foot social distancing recommendations outside the Capitol, which was locked to the public a day after the state Senate convened early for the week. 

The closure, which has been the norm on non-session days during the pandemic, deflated any tensions over the lack of firearm regulations inside the building. Two weeks ago, during another protest, Democratic senators complained of intimidation when armed protesters stood over them from a gallery.

The rally came days after Whitmer asked Vice President Mike Pence to discourage Capitol protests because she worried they would carry the virus to rural areas of Michigan. When asked about the assertion, a health department spokesperson, Lynn Sutfin, told Bridge that “we do not have any data that links the protests and any cases.”

Perhaps because of the rain, Thursday’s rally was far more subdued than others in recent weeks.  Michigan State Police officers periodically patrolled the Capitol lawn, as did armed militia members who carried long guns and insisted they were there to keep the peace. 

Troopers briefly detained one man after the brief fight among protesters. 

“There have been no arrests,” Lt. Duwayne Robinson said around noon after speakers concluded and protesters began to disperse. “The so-called victim, he was taken inside, we took a statement from him and then he was released out the back door.”

Police did not report any other incidents and no citations were issued.

“We understand that people are not all complying with the social distancing,” Robinson said. “It’s not something we’re going to go around and actively address. We gave them the warning. They know how dangerous it is, but the compliance part is really [up to] an individual.”

‘Not my mother’

Knight said she and her family “understand authority.” She said she’s an Army veteran herself, and a widow of one veteran, now married to another.

“But we understand also that we took an oath to stand up against all enemies — foreign and domestic,” she said. “And we believe that our invisible enemy is not COVID as much as it is tyranny,” she said, standing in front of cardboard prison bars outside the Capitol.

Renea Knight stands behind cardboard prison bars to protest Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home orders. (Bridge photo by Jonathan Oosting)

Knight said she had “a little bit of respect” for Whitmer prior to April 30, but said the governor went “rogue” by issuing new emergency declarations when the Republican-led Legislature rejected Whitmer’s request to extend a prior version.

“She’s not my mother,” Knight said. “She shouldn’t be telling me where I can shop or how much I can spend.”

Knight carried a Trump-Pence face mask but was not wearing it. She has asthma, she said, and does not believe the fabric-style mask offers much protection anyway. 

A substitute teacher, Knight said she’s been unable to work since schools closed and did not qualify for unemployment benefits. 

Her daughter is now making more on unemployment than she did when she was working, Knight suggested, noting the $600 weekly supplemental payment approved by Congress and Trump. 

“What kind of message is that sending? She said “Stay home, stay safe, and we’ll pay you. That sounds like communism,” Knight said.

Hard battles

Hill of Ann Arbor drove to Lansing on Thursday to offer support for Whitmer, making a trip his wife makes more often as an emergency room doctor at nearby Sparrow Hospital, where she has worked on the frontlines of the pandemic. 

Hill used plastic tubing to erect a social distancing perimeter on the east lawn and decorated it with laminated signs he said spoke for others who did not want to join him. 

“The hypocritical nature of getting together right now does not appeal to many friends of mine, so I brought as many messages as I could from those people,” he said from behind a respirator mask.

“I really understand the plight of a lot of people, not being used to struggling the way they are, but I believe this country was founded on some hard battles that we had to fight together, and this is one of them.”

Plans by a Democratic activists for a larger counterprotest were cancelled.  Besides Hill, one other pro-Whitmer demonstrator stood beside the Capitol steps but let his sign do the talking: “Whitmer: Keeping our most vulnerable safe. I stand in silence for them.”

Hill, a former attorney who is now a stay-at-home dad, said his wife stayed home with the kids on Thursday so he could attend. 

“At first, it was scary, but now the hospital has it under control,” he said of his wife’s work as an emergency room doctor amid the COVID-19 outbreak. “I don’t fear for her safety at this point unless there’s a second wave.”

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Cathy
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 2:25pm

I am so grateful the protest is all on camera, I'll study it carefully so that I know what goons I need to avoid in the future.

Mary Sue
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:48pm

Great point Cathy- it's great to watch a group of peaceful protesters who are fighting for their liberty and freedom to find the goons. You might have to look past all those peaceful citizens protecting their rights to find the goon- the goon is the tyrant who is breaking rights, liberties, freedoms, property rights, and putting in place policies that kill people, and can be found in the Executive office. Unless you're a partisan extremist communist-supporter- in which case, the goons are the peaceful citizen protesters that are laughing and chatting and dancing on the video.

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:54am

"Unless you're a partisan extremist communist-supporter- in which case, the goons are the peaceful citizen protesters that are laughing and chatting and dancing on the video." Spreading a deadly virus.

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:34am

Zero evidence of protesters spreading the virus. The evidence seems to be that those who are spreading the virus the most are the ones staying at home. SCIENCE AND DATE HIT-
'Shocking’: 66% of new coronavirus patients in N.Y. stayed home: Cuomo
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus...

Okay, your turn- cite a study or survey that showed 66% or more of the protesters spread the virus.

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 2:57pm

Zero evidence the protesters are not spreading the virus.

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 4:07pm

Ah, yes, the Chinese and Russian troll speaks and says that people are guilty until they prove their innocence, the earth is flat until it is proved to be round, that love doesn't exist until it is proven, that Whitmer can walk on water until proved otherwise, and that Trump is a Russian spy until extensive evidence is produced that says otherwise. Great points!

middle of the mit
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 7:13pm

Horrible analysis. I didn't click your link but no one has been strictly staying home. People still have to get food, gas and other things like recreation. And look at what you are all doing. Running around telling people that there is nothing to worry about and then some people believe it and guess what?

COVID!

Your thinking is along the same line as this persons. They are telling you that if you don't test for COVID you won't see any more COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyGGBw3KjVU

Oh wait! That is the President of The United States!

That is like saying if we don't test for literacy.............EVERYONE CAN READ!!

Licensing and regulation, who needs it?

Bring me your computer, your electrical needs. Heck, I told you I can be your doctor too! duane says we should all have multiple expertise! Jacks of all trades but masters of one? Or is it none? Or is it that we are masters of all trades?

TRUst Me! Please?

Terry
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 12:31pm

Amash 2020 You don't need to worry about catching the "deadly virus" (which isn't nearly as deadly as they want you to believe) because you'll be mindlessly obeying Whitless and safely cowering inside you're home. Problem solved!

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:01pm

I hope you are right, but I'm not cowering inside my home. I volunteer to test people for covid. Today I was at a senior center in Oakland county with a number of other military volunteers. Thanks for your concern though.

First Amendment
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 2:55pm

Cathy, I agree with you. That's why I support free speech and assembly. I want to know about the ideas of others and be able to steer clear of people like this that I happen to dislike. I only wish they would be more careful not to spread the virus.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 2:45pm

Shameful display of people with no ideas or help. I volunteer to test people with covid 19 while they play tea party and infect more people. It's disgusting.

Walter Smitty
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:35pm

Is this a quote from somewhere? Frederick North? George Germain? William Petty? I know I read this before... "We are determined to listen to nothing from the illegal congress.”- George III, 1775 (also uttered by Gretchen Whitmer, 2020)... “The New Englanders, by their canting, whining and insinuating tricks, have persuaded the rest of the colonies that the government is going to make absolute slaves of them.” - Nicholas Cresswell, British tourist, 1774 (also uttered by Anonymous, 2020)...

Go ahead and look down your colonial nose at us, you tea drinking royalist. Judge all you want, even though you're nobody to judge. What is disgusting is your sheep like behavior and acquiescence to relinquishing your rights so easily to a tyrant.

LOL
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:02pm

Is that you Revere?

middle of the mit
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 7:29pm

Walter Smitty, I literally don't know where to start. So according to King George, the congress was Illegal. He was the King of the colonies.

And then we come to where Gov Gretchen said the "congress of Michigan is illegal". I don't remember hearing her say that. Maybe you took her saying that the GOP gerry mandered the State to their will but that isn't illegal, but that is why you are fighting the referendum for non partisan districts.

Then we come to the part where you call the people you don't agree with being tea drinking loyalists. Excuse me but are you forgetting what the Boston Tea Party was about? Were they tea drinking loyalists? And didn't the right wing for a time have a party called the tea party?

Are you all really tea drinking royalists pushing the money to the top earners?

Thank you for outing yourselves.

Every accusation that a conservative makes is in fact a confession of how they feel.

It's called projection.

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:03pm

Anonymous, thank you for your service. God bless you.

Dex
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 3:17pm

The police actually said “so-called victim”?

Talk about unprofessional behavior from the MSP - doesn’t matter if you like the politics of a person, a victim is a victim. I wonder if they talk about victims of sexual assault and rape that way.

Le Roy G. Barnett
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:08am

The Fraternal Order of Police claims to be the largest police union in the world. The members of this organization endorsed Donald Trump for President, and maintained this position even after Trump admitted on camera that he is a sexual predator. This may help answer your wondering. See the following URL for details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/09/16/fraternal-o...

Sigh
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:07pm

Dex, poor choice of word, but "so-called" can also be interpreted as "alleged". Usually victims want to press charges, unless they feel intimidated, scared no one will take them seriously. So yeah, it is like most other crimes. I wonder why the alleged victim here did not want to press charges.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:09pm

Do you think the lower attendance was because of the scheduled pouring rain combined with efforts by Facebook and twitter to eliminate all promotion of this event, or because the brave Governor has suddenly saved thousands of people over the past two weeks who were facing imminent death by the European Flu?

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:12pm

No, I think there really isn't much appetite for unnecessary covid exposure and company with angry unpredictable people.

Unenforced laws
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:12pm

“We understand that people are not all complying with the social distancing,” Robinson said. “It’s not something we’re going to go around and actively address. We gave them the warning. They know how dangerous it is, but the compliance part is really [up to] an individual.”

So much for "tyranny". People put your big boy pants on and stop this nonsense. You people have no idea what "tyranny" is.

10x25mm
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 6:41pm

Merriam-Webster Definition of tyranny

1: oppressive power
every form of tyranny over the mind of man
— Thomas Jefferson
especially : oppressive power exerted by government
the tyranny of a police state
2a: a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler
especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
b: the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force
living under the tyranny of the clock

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 8:31pm

Huh. It seems that this person does have some idea what the word tyranny means.

But we understood the comment from the other guy who supports a moderate amount of tyranny but not may not recognize it until it becomes super oppressive tyranny.

Anonymous
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:35pm

Yeah, but SCIENCE. And you're a poopy head.

silent majority
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:14pm

Anonymous, I agree with your sentiments, but I'm not being sarcastic.

Jill Roe
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:09pm

Many Americans protesting around the country firmly believe the Democrats would be more than willing to completely destroy the economy if it meant getting rid of President Trump. American citizens aren't willing to sacrifice their homes, careers, jobs and businesses for another leftist attempt to remove a President.

Joe's mental health is even more concerning than the platform he supports. Whomever he picks to be his Vice President will be the President.

God Bless America

Democrat Platform & Goals: Leftist Agenda.
(Democrat Taxpayers pay close attention, you'll pay too)

-End all deportations of illegal aliens, if you get here, you stay. Bernie's website calls it a "moratorium" on deportations.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Citizenship for 20 to 50 million illegal aliens, DACA & TPS recipients with a cost of billions.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-De-fund & terminate border patrol & ICE.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Free Health Care for Illegal aliens, DACA, TPS recipients (taxpayer funded with one estimate at 52 trillion)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Ending of all private / employer based health care. "Medicare for all", Feds run everything.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Illegal Aliens eligible for welfare & food stamps. (Elizabeth Warrens plan adopted)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No

-Free college for all, including illegal aliens. (tax payer funded)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Decriminalization of illegal entry into our country.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Sanctuary Cities & States.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Open Borders.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Massive tax increases. All Democrat candidates have committed to tax increases of various amounts.
Democrats Yes tax increases.
Republicans No tax increases.

-Reparations for race's harmed by Caucasians. Joe committed this to "Reverend" Al Sharpton, support for Sheila Jackson Lee's racist reparations bill in the House.
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Drivers licenses for illegal aliens.(already happening in states with Democrat leadership)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-Opposed to ANY voter ID Laws.(Nancy Pelosi wanted this amendment in the first corona virus bill) I wonder why?
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

-AOC's green new deal.(which would create massive unemployment, 100,000 jobs estimated in the transportation industry alone.)
Democrats Yes.
Republicans No.

There is no moderate wing of the Democrat party. If you vote for Joe Biden, you are voting for Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren's platform.. Joe will follow the radical left’s agenda (or Joe won't get the support) of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Valerie Jarrett,. Rashida Talib, Stacy Abrams, Ayanna Pressley, Nancy Pelosi, Sheila Jackson Lee, Tom Perez, Maxine Waters, Al Green, and llhan Omar. This is the core of the socialists leftist wing of the Democrat party and they are firmly in charge.. Most or all have already endorsed Joe Biden, so he obviously has committed to their leftist agenda.

Carl Douglas
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 12:39am

These are a lot of very important facts. I'm old enough to remember JFK (tough national defense and tax cutting Democrat), Bill Clinton ('the era of big government is over'), and even Jimmy Carter (didn't openly mock Christians). The Democratic Party has certainly changed. Now it relies more on buying votes, getting illegals to vote, committing voter fraud, having institutional support from the media and education, and a rabid and vocal minority. It's sad how the Democratic Party has fallen to such lows.

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:17pm

Carl, yet they have been winning the popular vote. Why is that? Do you think they should vote for Republicans instead?

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:52am

Jill, the "Republicans" and Democrats under socialist Trump gave out trillions to stay home, no strings attached, no commitments. Our savings, those of us who worked hard and saved, have now been devalued. Vote for Republicans or Democrats and they'll both just keep printing money, devaluing the dollars we saved, raising the debt on our children and grandchildren with nothing to show for it. I won't even get into all the ne'er-do-well spending of Trump golfing nonstop and vacationing at the white houses in New Jersey and Florida. How many times have we seen the treasury secretary taking private jets with his wife for European vacations and shopping sprees on our dime, on the backs of our nation? Frankly Whitmer could not do worse than Trump. He left her with the responsibility to deal with COVID19 here in Michigan, and rightly so, but he seems to be micro managing without taking any responsibilty. He's advocating sending everyone back to school and work without available testing. Meanwhile he and his family get tested regularly throughout the day with defective tests that are accurate only half the time. I don't know about you, but the only people I know who have been tested were patients in hospitals, not even the healthcare workers in those hospitals have been tested. How stupid is that? The constitution provides for the common defense. Now we must defend all Americans from COVID19, not just the king. Sounds like the protesters who refuse to drink the king's tea are drinking the king's Kool-Aid. Principled Republicans have a chance to make America great again with Amash, not a twit like Trump selling more snake oil. Principles matter.

Mike
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:40am

Wow, someone is letting her Fox News freak flag fly...

George Clinton
Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:23pm

You know what I love about Whitmer and her rabid partisan supporters? The utter lack of any need for consistency of thinking- I just love their ability to hold two opposite ideas at the same time. My head would frankly hurt to engage in this sort of double-think.

On one had, the protest only had a couple hundred, which demonstrates that the Governor has OVERWHELMING support to be a dictator. On the other hand, the couple hundred that showed up will now wildly spread the virus all over the entire state and kill thousands, so there is a OVERWHELMING need for her to be a dictator. It doesn't really matter how many protesters show up- either way, to Whitmer and her partisan hacks all conclusions lead to her being an OVERWHELMING dictator.

Oh, I know a lot of the 'experts' and 'essential' people are so smart that they probably never read 1984, which is where the phrase doublethink came from. So here is an explanation of it- George Orwell invented the word doublethink (as part of Newspeak) in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, its origins within the citizenry is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashing programs,the novel explicitly shows people learning doublethink and Newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to "fit in", or gain status within the Party—to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize—let alone mention—any contradiction within the context of the Party line is akin to blasphemy, and could subject that person to disciplinary action and the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members. Like many aspects of the dystopian societies reflected in Orwell's writings, Orwell considered doublethink to be a feature of Soviet-style totalitarianism.

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[

Karen
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:59am

George,
Your last paragraph is a perfect description of "Emperor" Donald J. Trump.

Amash 2020
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:20pm

Karen, thank you for your post. I thought everything he wrote reminded me of Trump. Wasn't he a Democrat before becoming a Republican and couldn't these bailouts be considered socialism?

Bryan Watson
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 8:54am

You misspoke, Jonathan Oosting, when you wrote “Two weeks ago, during another protest, Democratic senators complained of intimidation when armed protesters stood over them from a gallery.” Republican Senate Majority Leader Shirkey complained about “jackasses” threatening the senators. Republican Speaker Chatfield placed Michigan State Police at his office door for protection. Republican John Truscott of the Michigan State Capitol Commission called it intimidation.

No, it wasn’t a Democratic complaint. Gunners were brandishing firearms at the lawmakers at work, in violation of Michigan laws that prohibit brandishing a firearm in public - a law Chatfield sponsored and Republicans voted for in 2015.

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:26pm

Bryan, nice synopsis.

Bryan Watson
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 9:02am

The brief scuffle was broken up by bystanders, security, and police. No weapons or firearms were used to end the incident. No firearms were needed.

Yet the security stood armed with rapid-fire rifles, as if ready for war. Why? Certainly not because there was any chance of a firefight. So who are they prepared to gun down?

A small but angry crowd, listening to angry speakers, posed no threat even when a fight broke out.

Why were these guys so heavily armed? Who are they afraid of?

Maybe it’s just costume.

Early Halloween
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:29pm

Yeah, makes you wonder if those are just toy guns.

Melissa March
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:33am

Trump is a dictator, he surrounds himself with dictators. Gov, Whitmer is not forcing you to stay home or be taken to jail. I'm sorry you can't go to your favorite restaurants, get haircuts etc. I know you need to work. But if you think she's going to "wreck Michigan's economy to get back at Trump" then you have probably believe him more than science so there's no point trying to get through to any of you. So go on, spread COVID-19 to friends, loved one, and strangers because you think wearing a mask won't help, despite all evidence to the contrary, yeah science again, huddle up tight too because, you know, that makes sense. Don't you realize that Trump's approval rating on handling the pandemic is 39%? You are the minority. So keep waving Confederate flags and bringing guns to the Capitol, though I have no clue what either of those things have to do with reopening the state. Besides I thought it was 'America first ' so why bring 2nd place flags? Just all of it boggles my mind.

Sigh...
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:38am

“We understand that people are not all complying with the social distancing,” Robinson said. “It’s not something we’re going to go around and actively address. We gave them the warning. They know how dangerous it is, but the compliance part is really [up to] an individual.”

So...exactly HOW are you people being FORCED to do much of anything?
The hairdresser who was imprisoned for violating the orders in her state was let go, and it was determined that people could, if they choose, go against these executive orders without repercussions...however, those of us who catch COVID 19 because of the folks who are not respecting the virus' power--YOU are taking lives of those people.

Personally, I say, let these folks open their shops...and let people use their shops...BUT...if and when someone who has NOT made the CHOICE to visit those shops gets COVID 19, and if it can be traced back to the shop and someone who has been to the shop, then those people should be tried for reckless endangerment or something similar. And should the 'innocent, non-consenting' person die from the COVID that they caught from one of these terrorists, then murder charges should follow...THAT would be fair...consequences...you can't just recklessly risk the lives of your fellow Americans just because you view yourself as being "MORE American" than they are. If you aid and abed COVID 19 to harm other people, then you need to be held responsible for that.
Also, if a person can be traced to putting themselves at risk by doing things that have been announced publicly to lead to COVID 19 infection (like violating the 6 foot rule), then health care professionals should be notified of such and given a choice as to whether or not they want to risk THEIR OWN LIVES to try to help that person...consequences.

But no...none of these things will happen to protect the innocent people...the people who are doing what they are supposed to be doing to help defeat the virus...because you only get your way when you act ignorantly...terrorism is where it's at right now, so long as you ensure that you can either deny your responsibility in harming others, or are in a large, armed group of domestic terrorists (the terror being the threat you pose to citizens who are doing what is scientifically needed to overcome the virus) then you're gonna be just fine violating the rights of the people who disagree with your ignorant methods and claims.
You're not hostages...you're not victims...you're NOT having your rights violated...evidence of this is that NONE OF YOU has been arrested, NONE of you have suffered negative consequences of the stay at home order (except those of you who live beyond your means and need to get your hair done *eyeroll*). But you are ALL more than willing to kill others--even each other--to support what? Your boredom? Because you can NOT honestly think you are 'doing the right thing'???

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:34pm

Sigh, you have a point. These reckless protesters spreading the virus are no different from other terrorists. In fact, how do we know it isn't orchestrated terrorism?

Anonymous
Sat, 05/16/2020 - 10:01am

Sign. I agree with the other progressives- anyone who resists Whitmer should be killed like the terrorists that they are. Their property is our property, their lives are ours to take, and they only work so that they can benefit the state. All who oppose our fascist agenda are terrorists and must die.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 4:50pm

Nice try trying to spin.

You are the people that that don't care about those who are going to die. You will be the people that scrape up the property and the Non taxed inheritance.

Want to keep on keepin' on?

Sigh...
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 10:44am

I wonder...
What excuse would you people use if one of those guns that are there for "protection" accidentally goes off and harms or kills someone?
Would you even feel bad? Would you just make some stupid excuses to deny and to satisfy your own cognitive dissonance and move on, or would you actually walk up to a cop and say, "You know...I messed up and I violated the rights of this person I shot. I need to be punished for my actions."
Would you be able to look their children, or Mother in the eye and apologize for needlessly taking the life of their loved one?
Because that is what each and everyone of you is risking happening when you are out there ignoring all safety precautions simply because YOU don't "believe" science is real...WHY?
Why do you think that YOU are more important than everyone else? Why do YOU avoid following rules intended to help everyone --including yourself and those you love?
You can't possibly be THAT messed up...that confused...that spoiled...that arrogant...that...selfish...can you? Are you? WHY???

Heard it all
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:37pm

Sigh..., no, they would not feel bad. They would feel the same as they do for all the covid deaths and knock it up to a "sacrifice for our country" and say "everything involves risks" and it's just "thinning of the herd".

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:40pm

"Why do you think that YOU are more important than everyone else? Why do YOU avoid following rules intended to help everyone --including yourself and those you love?"

The truth is that these people have very low self-esteem. They don't feel more important. They feel less important and use the occasion to appear to be important, working for greater ideals. I just wish they would get therapy, maybe some meds.

Hank Quayle
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 10:58am

"Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it politic? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular – but one must take it simply because it is right." -MLK

Are you a coward, a partisan, vain, or are you a person with a conscience? Sometimes the right decision is to bravely and boldly do the unpopular thing that is right, which in this case is ending the house arrests and government shut downs of particular businesses. Protecting peoples property rights, liberty, freedom, and lives demands that the Governor's orders be defied. They are killing people and bankrupting our state. Stop with the partisanship. Stop with the name-calling. Stop with the false analogies. Do the right thing- open up Michigan and let people work and live again.

Rose
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 11:10am

Nearly 5,000 Michiganders have died from this "hoax" virus. At minimum, let's figure 5 family members/friends in mourning, so we are talking about 30,000 people directly affected. And these people think that the shut down orders are wrong/ unconstitutional/ communist ,etc. Newflash- disease kills regardless of political affiliation or outlook. That is a fact. Just because you do not like that fact does not make it, "fake news."

If these people sincerely care about their communities, they should put their money where the mouths are. They should volunteer at a food bank, hospital, nursing home, etc. since they must have some special immunity to this disease. Instead, they play at being militia with their guns; they make horrific, stomach-turning threats on the governor's life; they hang her in effigy with a barbie doll. Wow, what brave, real patriots they are (sarcasm). They are also making Michigan a horror show to the rest of the world. Read the international press on this. If I was a CEO looking to locate or expand my company, the LAST place I would ever choose is Michigan.

Stuck w/relatives
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 3:45pm

Rose, as you might imagine many of us have relatives with these crazy ideas. So they will get together with us at Thanksgiving and Christmas and kill grandma, us or cause weird conditions for our children. I love using my phone to communicate with these relatives now. "What? I think I have a bad connection. Let's talk another time." LOL

Anonymous
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 4:11pm

Of course, if guns aren't banned, people will die. If you leave your house, people will die. If you buy an appliance at a small store instead of a big store, people will die. If you play on the playground with your kids, people will die.

Watch this video- it all makes sense after that-
https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko

Anne
Fri, 05/15/2020 - 8:41pm

The way the MSM and this publication has marginalized the protesters makes me sick. The media is trivializing the true reason why these men and women have come forward. Many are small business owners who stand to lose all they have worked for. The idea that Hill from Ann Arbor insinuates that people aren’t used to “struggling “ because they don’t get to go to the movies or out to eat at a favorite restaurant. That is how these protesters are being trivialized. I read a letter to the governor from the owner of an automobile dealer begging her to rethink this lockdown and let Michiganders use their ingenuity to safely be able to sell automobiles. He did this to try to keep his 65 year old family business from completely tanking. So...the truth of the matter is these individuals are trying to make their voices heard to ensure their constitutional rights. This stay at home order was intended to help flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm hospitals. Interesting that we’re still at home and hospitals are laying off and putting staff on furlough. Michigan is now in dire straits economically, with crushing cuts coming to education. Emergency calls for domestic violence and calls to mental health hotlines have substantially increased since the start of the stay at home order. All of these important issues along with caring for our most fragile population need to be paramount. Keeping healthy people at home and unable to work safely will have a catastrophic impact on the state I love . Amy American , whether Republican or Democrat should never condemn those who come forward to express a voice for what is constitutionally their right to do.

middle of the mit
Sun, 05/17/2020 - 4:59pm

We see the ingenuity, innovation and creativity that comes from business, but the populace doesn't need that right now. We need to listen to the specialists that know how to deal with this. Why do you trust business leaders that want to have liability protections so you can get back to work with their rules that they need liability protections from? But the doctors are sold out to the Government that has payed off Wall Street so the Stock Market doesn't tank.

Do you see conflicting standards?

Do you feel the cognitive dissonance?

Disappointed
Mon, 05/18/2020 - 3:29pm

Again I have to watch the protests in Lansing and wonder what they see that I do not. It seems they think their life, and freedom to do as they please, is more important than my life and ability to do as I please. I am 65 and in good health for my age but like many my age I am a cancer survivor, have high blood pressure, pre-diabetic with elevated cholesterol levels; all risk factors. By doing as you please you will eventually pick up the virus and spread it to someone else, like me, that is the way it works or there would be no Covid-19. Maybe you think that it is my choice, take a chance or never leave my house again, your implied statement is "I'll take my freedom and yours too". I don't see the stay at home orders as anything more than a method of controlling the virus, to provide time to get drug therapy's and vaccines to control it. The Governor has done only what thousands of other leaders from around the world have done; some much more strict. The methods used to control the spread of Covid-19 are not something made up by a few politician's, it comes from the thousands of people world wide that study virology and pandemics. It is the same methods that have been used to great success for a hundred years or more; there is nothing new here. You carry signs with words like tyranny, conservative and patriot but there is nothing patriotic or conservative about condemning others to covid-19. You stand inside the capital with semi-automatic weapons dressed like mercenary's from a TV movie and shout about tyranny; I think there are millions around the world, historically and currently, that would disagree with that. You compare your plight to the Nazi political movement using its repulsive slogans and imagery; again there are millions that would disagree that you have it that bad. I don't have a problem with protesting something that you think is unfair but is this unfair? To the world maybe but it is not personal. The protest methods you use offend me as a resident of Michigan and the United States. If this is so important why not go to one of the Detroit hospitals, stand at the door with your banners, tell the workers how your defending their rights to do as they please. Tell the patients as their being wheeled in how your fighting for their freedom as they fight for their life. Millions of people work everyday in dangerous jobs, so you can do as you please. They rescue you from burning buildings, patrol the streets, climb power poles to keep your lights on on Christmas day. They work long shifts at hospitals in case you have an accident. This is how you repay them; whining that you can't do as you please. I would love to see my children and grand children again and I am sure that I soon I will but I will save my whining for the protesters.